Trump must speak up about UFOs to dispel conflicting messages: Journalist | Elizabeth Vargas Reports

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RISK. SURE. SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE JOINING US NOW IS MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER, JOURNALIST AND FOUNDER OF PUBLIC NEWS. WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW. MICHAEL, ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON.

SO NO LESS THAN THE SECRETARY OF STE, MARCO RUBIO WENT ON CAMERA IN THIS DOCUMENTARY SAYING PUBLICLY THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS RECOVERED ALIEN TECHNOLOGY FROM NON-HUMAN SOURCES AND IS CURRENTLY WORKING TO REVERSE ENGINEER. THAT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE. ISN'T IT? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. GREAT TO WITH YOU, ELIZABETH.

IT'S ALREADY A HISTORIC MOMENT. I MEAN, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY AT RUBIO'S LEVEL AND KEEP IN MIND, RUBIO'S ALSO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IS THE SAME PERSON WAS HENRY KISSINGER BETWEEN 1973. 95. RUBIO IS, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY NUMBER 3, ALTHOUGH THE STATE DEPARTMENT NUMBER ONE FOREIGN POLICY AFTER THE PRESIDENT.

IT WAS WHAT I THINK WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. AND THERE IS CONFLICTING MESSAGES. THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT OR SORRY, THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR. I HAS THE SAME LINE THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR YEARS, WHICH IS VERY SPECIFIC. AND THEY SAY THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF EXTRATERRESTRIALS.

I ASKED WHY THEY USE THAT WORD BECAUSE IT WASN'T A WORD I USED. AND THEY SAID, WELL, THEY REFERRED ME TO THE REPORT. BUT LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU HAVE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, THE VICE PRESIDENT, THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE SECRETARY OF STATE GOING FURTHER THAN ANY OF THEM AND A GREEN TO EVEN PARTICIPATE IN THIS MOVIE OUT IS IT IS SO ITSELF A MAJOR STATEMENT. SO I THINK, LOOK, IT'S THERE'S CONFLICTING MESSAGES.

THE PRESIDENT, I THINK NEEDS FINALLY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. >> IT DOES FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN BUILDING TO THIS. THESE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LONGEST TIME I CALL IT WAS LIKE PEOPLE WITH TIN FOIL HATS WERE TALKING ABOUT UFO'S AND THEY WERE DISMISSED AS LOONEY TUNES AND SLOWLY BUT SURELY PEOPLE STILL MAKE FUN OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEEN VERY SERIOUS. CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WITH VERY SERIOUS WHISTLEBLOWERS TESTIFYING UNDER OATH.

IT DOES FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO A MOMENT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THIS DOCUMENTARY, IT SAYS IT'S NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES REVERSE ENGINEERING THESE SPACECRAFT THAT WE HAVE FOUND. RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE ALSO FOUND CRAFT AND ARE ALSO REVERSE ENGINEERING. AND THIS IS SECRET ARMS RACE HAPPENING. >> YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK, ELIZABETH COHEN IS ASKING TO GO, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IS HAPPENING WITH YOU, MICHAEL SUMMER THINK IS HAPPENING? WHO CARES? I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE IT. I DON'T HAVE SECRET CLEARANCE.

DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENTIAL ACCESS TO INFORMATION. YOU SHOULD CARE WHAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAYS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE VICE PRESIDENT. >> THEY'RE ALL SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT JUST RIDICULOUS AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. BUT YOU STILL GOT THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR THAT SORT OF DISMISS A LOT OF DISMISSING IT. I JUST THINK THE WAY THAT THIS HAS PROGRESSED IS THAT WE'RE AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT'S LIKE LITTLE IS WHAT I CAN'T DO.

ANOTHER. I CAN DO MANY MORE HOURS OF PODCAST, YOU KNOW, SPECULATING ABOUT THIS ISSUE WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE GOVERNMENT NOW HAVE THE POWER TO TELL US WHAT IT IS. AND LIKE I SAID IN MY PIECE, IT'S ALL A DELUSION AND IT'S YOU KNOW, A KIND OF CIRCULAR REPORTING BASED ON THIS INFORMATION FROM THE 50'S AND 60'S. THEN THE PRESIDENT SHOULD REVEAL THAT. BUT I EITHER WAY YOU HAVE VERY ES COM CONFLI