Ross Coulthart reveals the night that convinced him to investigate UFOs | Reality Check

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[Music] hi I'm Ross cart welcome to reality check here in America on assignment for news Nation I've come here to Rocket City Huntsville Alabama to the conference of the scientific Coalition for the study of uaps there are a bunch of scientists who believe it is possible to investigate the phenomena of unidentified anomaly phenomena and they're going to hear me present the keynote speech this year at their annual conference what could possibly go wrong here goes I want to thank you all and welcome you to Huntsville Alabama we got a great great conference for you here over the next couple of days and with that I would like to now introduce our keynote speaker I have a few words I'd like to say about this gentleman who has TR a great distance from Long Long far away to be here with us this evening I think most of you probably who have seen him on news Nation you know a little bit about Mr Ross colart Ross is a multi-award-winning investigative journalist and author with over three decades of experience in newspapers and television including reporting for Australia's Sydney Morning Herald newspaper abct TV's Four Corners the nine TV networks Sunday program in 60 minutes he currently works as a special correspond respondent for news Nation but he also contributes to the Australian 7 TV Network's Spotlight public affairs program trained as a logger and you'll see that that's plainly evident here soon when he begins speaking he's covered Wars investigated corruption scandals and public interest stories for over 35 years as one of Australia's top investigative journalists and really now also an international one Ross is a five-time winner of Australia's top journalism prize the Walkley award including the highest award the gold Walkley among other awards that he has received the list is too long to go through them all here he's a best-selling author of six books including in plain sight and investigation into UFOs and impossible science in June 2023 Ross also interviewed a gentleman by the name of David grush on news Nation someone of course a name that's probably familiar to most of us here and he now hosts a regular segment on the UAP topic there on news Nation last but not least Mr colart is also a gentleman I consider a colleague and he's also a fellow member of the seu so please without further Ado would you join me in welcoming Mr Ross colar thanks very much thank you very much M and U thank you everybody for having me here it's an honor and frankly daunting to be invited as a journalist to speak to a room full of scientists you know I'm expecting to be thoroughly peer reviewed and skewed by the lot of you but I I also want to pay a special recognition to the Gathering of government industry defense Military Intelligence types who I'm sure are sort of back there in the background one of the things that I think makes this event very special is that it does offer uh a portal a respected portal for that discret Nexus between the government private Aerospace and the scientific Community to talk about a topic that despite overwhelming admissions from the US government I mean frankly it's a lay down Miser that it's real whatever it is there's a there there it's a subject that's still treated with such ridicule and stigma and I I think the great thing about SCU is it's an organization that represents an attempt by science to deal with the subject objectively and rigorously and to give it solid skeptical peer review and that's what this should all be about now as micro acknowledged as you would all know I was involved in interviewing David grush last year for the news network news Nation when he went public and he tells me he was here in 2022 very discreetly up the back and um if there's anybody here in the audience from the intelligence Community who wants to tell me where the tr3b Aurora is in that particular cave in Area 51 I'll be in the bar later it it is very very daunting sticking your head H up and speaking about the UAP issue because there is a hostile intolerance a disdain in much of establishment science for the notion that the subject of UAP is unidentified anomalous phenomena or Aerospace phenomena or is Rich acknowledged whether it should be taken seriously at all my Aussie journalist mates and some more maliciously inclined folk took great Delight in the fact that I was the unsolicited recipient of the 2023 Australian Skeptics Bent Fork award for being supposedly the perpetrator of the most Preposterous piece of pseudo scientific or paranormal piffle and I'm proud of it and and and this was all because uh the Skeptics asserted dismissively I was claiming UFO conspiracies now I want to deal with that in the course of today's address another lowbrow Australian newspaper tagged me as a UFO truther on the same basis just a a wee hint there that I'm a UFO Nutter both factu smirking smirking institutions made a very simple mistake they didn't do any research at all before they made the the criticism that many comments commentators have done on the UAP topic for decades they faulted to derision and ridicule on a subject that frankly no longer deserves that kind of of treatment there's a Conger line of attention seeking social media influences and unhappy incels living in their mother's basement who spend their days trying to increase their likes and Reddit credits by attacking online anyone who takes this subject seriously but I also think there's something more Sinister going on and this should be ackn Ed it's an official deception and manipulation going back decades and establishment science as well as the mainstream media and social media have really no idea just how much they're being manipulated 10 days ago as many of you would know Colonel car Nell whose bio is formidable exus army space command ex North rip Grumman X Lockheed Martin X bell lab ex multiple three-letter agencies ex Deputy Deputy CTO for a $2 billion company a former Reserve Army Brigade Commander a former senior adviser to the vice chief of the army um a deputy chief of staff to combatant command the Army the guy who advised Army Futures command on the the reorganization of the Army Reserves the the biggest change since the 1970s formerly also with the pentagon's UAP task force he told a UAP investor crowd at the salt conference quote nonhuman intelligence exists non-human intelligence has been interacting with Humanity this interaction is not new and it's been ongoing there are unelected people in the government that are well aware of that and then he was asked by Alex clus how confident are you that this is true and quick as a flash he was ready for that question he said there is zero doubt and his comments that were then backed by a retired US Navy rear Admiral Tim gadet and he said quote I know he's correct with complete certainty why has Society not taken this world changing reality seriously partly because of a deliberate and systematic disinformation campaign by the US government which has perpetuated the stigma associated with UAP like car Nell I'm privileged to know both men Tim gadet is an exemplary former US military officer and public servant he commanded the US Navy's special Warfare Center he was the superintendent of the US Naval Observatory he served on the staff of the chief of Naval operations and eventually became the oceanographer for the Navy in civilian life he's been the acting under Secretary of Commerce for the oceans and atmosphere and acting administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Noah neither of these two well-respected individuals with many years of distinguished Public Service in our military are the kind of folk who recklessly propound conspiracy theories so I think I'm in good company and as they have done I believe also that there is a non-human intelligence that's been engaging with this planet for a very long time implausible as it may seem to many I've on the evidence that I've been shown by firsthand Witnesses I've been independently apprised of sufficient evidence to reach the conclusion that there is as confronting as I find myself saying this there is a very High likelihood that the United States and other nations particularly China and Russia have recovered nhi technology non-human technology including craft and biologics yes aliens and there is there is an ongoing secret Cold War to harness reverse engineered scientific advancements from that technology big call but what C says what Tim says I totally agree with it and of course the inevitable response from the critics and it's understandable and quite reasonable to ask this question is where's the evidence on its face asking for the public airing of evidence to back such an assertion about a secret UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program sounds perfectly reasonable just as the scientific me method demands empirical evidence to prove any hypothesis we all want to see the data to back these extraordinary claims we all want to know every bit of detail about this alleged secret program why is it secret who oversees it who knows about it does the president know what crimes if any are being done in America's name without Congress being properly informed are there agreements is the Admiral Tom Wilson memo authentic did the boss of lockhead Martin Skunk Works did the boss of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works and two top Pentagon generals really tell Tom Delong the rockar it was the Cold War and we found a life form I find that an incredible story and the amazing thing is that whole Saga is revealed in a Wikileaks leak emails from a White House staffer recording the fact that senior Pentagon generals were having a conversation with a rockstar prior to the Trump Clinton election campaign discussing the possibility of disclosure that's irrefutable evidence that requires investigation and that's all I'm saying I feel as a journalist I'm obliged to do to investigate it if this is all true it's in indubitably a very cleverly kept secret and as The Gatekeepers well know so much of that evidence that data is locked up in highly classified programs most of the people overseeing those programs I know have no idea what's behind it and the best trick of all until recently has been the way we've allowed ourselves to be so brilliantly deceived the novelist Margaret Atwood once wrote the best way of Keeping a Secret is to pretend that there isn't one and that's what I suspect unelected officials chose to do with what we will call euphemistically the program they've very deviously convinced opinion leaders in politics and the media and their shills on social media for years that there is no secret that everyone's come forward and deluded themselves or that that they're lying that they've dreamed up a andb story about recovered alien technology and for reasons best known to themselves they're destroying their reputations by coming up and promoting a wacky conspiracy theory believe me this is not good for your career but clearly the Insiders advocating disclosure know something they're not legally allowed to tell us about it and even if they want to they can't and what most of the commentators also fail to understand is that it's not the general public that has to be convinced the American public frankly at the moment is mostly Irrelevant in this ongoing debate except for the fact that you all vote what matters most right now is that members of key oversight committees in Congress and the president and his National Security committee wake up to the fact that this is real it's a major public interest issue of concern and they start doing the job that we entrust them to do that's the only Forum where the full story of the program can legally be investigated and exposed and that is starting to happen as we all know there's a new attempt that's just come out in the last day for a new UAP disclosure bill it's so important so much of the evidence that would finally make Congress finally wake up to what's been going on is highly classified it can't be discussed publicly by those who've been read into it it's a very very clever Catch 22 what do people want cell to do when they demand that he publicly reveal his evidence he'd risk a prison term for revealing the classified details of what I'm absolutely certain he knows if it's all true of course if it's all true it's probably the biggest secret in human history clearly Colonel Nell knows a lot more than he's letting on and as David grush has explained most of this program is hidden inside what are called waved unacknowledged special access programs waps and they're funded by black budgets that are meant to be funding other defense projects that's why David's pointing out that this is illegal it's a breach of the accountability rules in Congress now remember last year the Pentagon failed to properly account for an astonishing 63% of its $3.8 trillion of assets that means 2.4 trillion of the public money spent on defense assets is unable to be accounted for because according to the government accountability office quote Auditors were unable to obtain sufficient appropriate evidence to provide a basis for an audit opinion this has been an issue for giio since 1981 that's why we're here and yet for most of the media it's a big yawn hardly worth the story if Congress just started asking questions about why the pent gone can't balance its Ledger the secret would break wi open what cnil Tim git and the other high-profile commentators on the UAP issue Lou Alondo Chris Millan Eric Davis Hal put off Jim latky col kellerer kit Green Jay Stratton and David grush what they're all constrained by and The Gatekeepers of this secret know this all too well what they're all constrained by is the National Security Oaths they swore to protect if what they say is true then the irony is excessive government secrecy is being improperly exploited by The Gatekeepers of this secret to conceal a national scandal from the Congress and the American public these Former Defense and intelligence Community Insider commentators speaking out for UAP transparency for your right to to know they're Patriots they think it's wrong that as I've heard from one hay very Senior Aerospace executive on one occasion so that some of the people guarding this secret disdainfully refer to the president the president For Heaven's Sake as a temporary employee that's the attitude they assert he or she has no right to know at the heart of David gush's allegations is the incredible claim that things are being done in America's name in collusion with private corporations with taxpayer money that may in fact be Gravely immoral illegal perhaps criminal with flagrant disregard for accountability to Congress in fact deliberate evasion there are allegations here that must be fully investigated the people pushing for UAP transparency respect the notion in Article 1 Section one of the US Constitution I warn you I'm a lawyer all legislative powers here in granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States which shall consist of a senate and a House of Representatives 232 years ago in 1792 a major general Arthur Sinclair LED an incredibly disastrous Expedition into the Northwest Territories in which 700 Federal soldiers were slaughtered by A Confederacy of Native Americans a special investigation was established and that Congressional inquiry created an extremely important legal precedent it enshrined in law the idea that Congress does have the power to inquire into executive power before that time it hadn't been realized that the Congress which essentially makes laws also has the right to inquire that the executive in government heeds those laws obeys those laws this oversight is at the heart of your Constitution I studied to be a lawyer before I became a journalist and I I think the US Constitution is a thing of beauty it enshrines rights that in my country Australia as in many in English influenced parliaments they're not codified at all rights such as your incredibly beautiful First Amendment constraint that constit that Congress quote shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press my Australian Constitution does not explicitly Protect free speech or freedom of the press it's just implied very very weakly in case law I suspect that under English law will Colonel car Nell and Chris melan and Lou alzando they'd be in the Tower of London by now and the Lord High executioner would have chopped off David gush's head about 8 years ago I started thinking about writing a new book books are a bit like babies you you only start thinking about writing another one when you've forgotten the pain of the last one I've i' I've had a very interesting career so far in uh public affairs TV investigative journalism and Broad sheet newspapers and I I started thinking about what was the subject that was the one that everybody told you you shouldn't look at the most stigmatized the most taboo but also the one that had the most obvious leads for investigation and that story of course was UFOs and identified anomalous phenomena uaps as we call them now there is no story more stigmatized in journalism if it's covered at all it's treated with ridicule and contempt and I could never understand why frankly yes there are some mentally ill people who are drawn to this subject but it's always struck me how so many UAP sightings witnesses that I meet are credible often highly intell ENT people describing something anomalous that baffled and sometimes even scared them numerous times in the last few decades in my career I've taken calls from people firsthand Witnesses telling me they've seen UFOs uaps many claimed to have seen intelligently controlled craft clearly not human technology and I have to admit I treated them with ridicule dismiss and stigma I remember very early in my career there was a a woman who rang the news desk of the newspaper I was working for and she said she'd seen at a UFO while she was hanging out her washing on her washing line and she'd run inside grabbed her film camera and taken three shots and she said she still had the film in the camera and so I said oh that's interesting bring it in and so the photographic editor developed the film straight out of the camera as we all waited outside and out he came with this huge big blow up of a metallic disc hovering over This Woman's washing line and I freely admit I was a young buck in the newspaper and I was very excited and I took it to my editor later in the day and I said look at this we've got a great story and he scoffed and he said Rosco we don't do stories about UFOs and I said why not and he said they're nonsense and for days afterwards I was little tinf foil hats on my desk and and you learned very quickly as a journalist you don't cover this subject and frankly I found it perplexing because I'd found the woman credible and time and time again in my career I was given very clear indications that contrary to that perception this was something real I was I was doing a story for an Australian public broadcaster on the Royal Australian Air Force and I was with some very very senior officers at the end of a day's filming and after the second beer one of them leaned across the table and said why don't you chaps do stories about UFOs and quick as a flash I came back and I said because they're nonsense and uh he said no they're not and in the course of an evening he was calling Pilots across from all over the room in this officers mess at an airbase and saying tell them tell them what you saw they're going you sure boss and he goes yeah tell them tell them and all these Pilots had seen these weird objects and they were talking about them and they were thrilled almost relieved that they could talk to somebody like me about it but would anybody go public about it and talk about it no way there was so much stigma so I set out investigating UFOs and one of the first things I did eight years ago was read Nick Cook's excellent book which I all commend to you the hunt for zero point which frankly is the definitive beginning for me on the search and the explanation for what really lies behind this mystery he's a respected Aerospace journalist Nick and he began similar investigations to mine about a quarter of a century ago with the premise that around 1956 a group of scientists and uh a group of aerospace engineers had started talking very openly in the popular press about anti-gravity propulsion and how it would soon become a reality the G engines are coming we were told and those articles referenced the Glen L Martin aircraft Corporation B aircraft Lea aircraft and as Nick wrote several other American aircraft manufacturers who would not spend millions of dollars as they were on researching science fiction there was also mention of an elusive George S Trimble who was the head of advanced programs and vice president in charge of the G project at Lockheed Martin which was at the time Martin aircraft but it later became Lockheed Martin back then Trimble LED Martin aircraft's reias the research institute for advanced studies the pre predecessor to what became Skunk Works and it was also clear Trimble had a background in highly classified Advanced physics Concepts and Nick to his enormous credit pieced together that Trimble had put together a team in 1956 researching anti-gravity and yet 2 years later all these stories started appearing in the popular press where Trimble was making the extraordinary claim that the conquest of gravity quote could be done in about the time it took to build the first atom bomb now there were also fascinating early references around this time in academic journals to electrogravitics research tent izing suggestions from excited scientists that developments were underway in secret that had profound implications for the human race respectable scientific journals were referencing the work of Thomas ton Hender Brown claiming that in experiments which had been peer-reviewed he' achieved anti-g gravitic effects cutting weights by as much as 30% and one very interesting aspect of TTI Brown's work was that when he' arrived at the best shape for an anti-g gravitic craft intriguingly it was dis shaped yet that supposed scientific breakthrough didn't happen it's never happened and if you allow 5 years or so for an equivalent program to the atomic program it should have happened in the early 1960s and so Nick's book had left us with the tantalizing possibility probability that there' been sometime in the mid-50s a breakthrough in anti-gravity propulsion that was quickly suppressed by the military or by the government for a very brief moment scientists had talked openly about it and freely about the dawn of a new age huge implications for mankind and then bang the door closed and everybody shut up about it my dilemma is as an investigative journalist was that assuming such a secret program existed how on Earth could I possibly track down these scientists private Aerospace workers military and intelligence officials who might be involved in such a program and moreover how could I make them receptive to a quiet chat and how could I protect them as sources if they chose to speak to me and I was only too aware of just how totally compromised modern Communications are I was involved in Australia in breaking a a a world exclusive story about the existence of a a Communications spying system called Echelon where under the yuser agreement agreement the ukusa agreement in which Australia the UK the USA New Zealand and Canada participate that' been a secret codebreaking agreement since the second world war but that had also morphed into a Communications spying system where quite literally we were tapping not only the undersea cables we were also intercepting satellites and listening in randomly to Communications and sifting through billions and billions of communications all over the world with this sophisticated computer system that could pick up not only words but even accents and that Revelation shocked me that how wide open Modern Communications are more recently I did a story for Australian 60 Minutes about a breach in mobile phone security that still exist called ss7 signaling System 7 the story was eventually run on um CBS 60 minutes here in America and what that revealed is that there's essentially a hack built in to mobile phones that allows anyone with knowledge of this hack to listen in to any call and and we demonstrated it on National Television so um how could I communicate with these people without compromising them I I reached the conclusion that the only way to do it safely was to find out who they are and where they lived and write them a letter and that's what I did I wrote 160 plus letters and mailed them and it took months but I waited so to to figure out who I was writing to what I did was I read listened and watched pretty much everything I could that referenced this purported dark secret history of anti-gravity I combed esoteric scientific papers for key words and I looked who were the military R&D Geeks which companies won the most interesting looking contracts who studied Advanced physics at universities reputable universities and then disappeared and and some of the same names started appearing I just treated it like any other investigation not necessarily with the assumption that this program existed but if it did exist how would I find these people and once I'd compiled an open source list of those scientists and commentators and anybody else who I thought might be useful I I got the the list going and started writing letters and even at that stage though I was still skeptical I have to admit what I expected to find at the end of The Rabbit Hole was a secret us black military program that was building conventional advancements in Aerospace technology I figured it was a good story to blow all this UFO baloney out of the water I was going into it with the full expectation it was complete nonsense uh I started getting letters back to my amazement quite quickly and a few of those who responded early on very sternly told me never to call them or write them ever again which was quite instructive because I then realized who they were and where they were and I started intensifying my focus on those particular institutions a lot of other people were very chatty some told me to talk to friends of theirs and I soon built up quite frankly an enormous database of names and the important thing and I think this made a difference was that I left No Electronic Trail because the worst thing you can do as a journalist is burn a source it it kills you nobody will ever trust you again early on I was astonished absolutely astonished to see in my reading just how much evidence there is in public records in plain sight to show that very senior military commanders very early after the second world war clearly concluded that the phenomenon behind UFOs was intelligently controlled craft in fact they were seen to be quote evasive when cited by friendly aircraft I'm citing here the quite extraordinary Twining memo of September 1947 in which Lieutenant General Nathan Twining the head of the US Army Air Force Air material command acknowledged the flying discs being seen by many witnesses in US skies at the time were quote something real and not Visionary or fictitious and the general reported that the way these objects behaved clearly indicated that they were controlled either manually automatically or remotely and as memo records objects perhaps craft that multiple Witnesses saw as metallic elliptical in shape flat on the bottom with a dome on top classic flying sources confirmed by a Commanding General I was also struck by how blatantly an active official deception operation on uaps was admitted in the de classified military and intelligence archives it's not well understood that the dismissive debunking strategy towards UAP sightings by the US Department of Defense is part of an official policy developed 70 years ago by the cia's so-called Robertson panel this extraordinary decision was made in secret by a group of scientists Military Officers and spies that public interest in UFOs what we call today uaps should be disb debunked and discredited and a secret report was prepared for the CIA recommending a mass media campaign that would strip UFOs of their so-called Aura of mystery the report said and I quote and it's an astonishing quote the debunking aim would result in reduction in public interest in flying sources which today evoke a strong psychological reaction this education could be accomplished by mass media such as television Motion Pictures and popular articles basis of such education would be actual case histories which had been puzzling at first but later explained as in the case of conjuring tricks there is much less stimulation if the secret is known such a program should tend to reduce the gullibility of the public and consequently their susceptibility to clever hostile propaganda now obviously the official explanation for why the CIA talked explicitly about tricking the American public is this idea that all of this public reporting of UFOs was causing a huge drain on the Air Force's time because they were having to investigate them and so they were arguing that we should suppress this in the public interest because it was making a national security threat because then they wouldn't be able to focus on the real UFOs but to me that's a completely nonsensical argument because if you think about it you want your public to be alert and alarmed you want them to report any kind of anomalous phenomena why would the Air Force be interested in discouraging people in that era from reporting alarming sightings of objects in our skies that could very well have been a foreign adversary aircraft well so should one bother to actually read it the Robertson panel report admits that one scientist on the panel resolved that an extraterrestrial explanation was the only possible explanation for many of the cases and he was overruled by the rest of the panel the Robertson panel was frankly a fix it was a deliberate deception to suppress public interest into uaps and it began the current contemporary attitude UD of stigma ridicule and contempt for coverage of the subject we've all been hoodwinked there are other red flags there in the historical Declassified archives pointing to the idea that agencies within the US government were and still are trying to obfuscate and manipulate public opinion to play Down the UAP mystery after General Nathan Twining had recommended a study of uaps project sorcer later project SCI the first of the US Air Force investigations was established in December 1947 and that official report released a year later declared that these objects were not extraterrestrial it didn't provide a jot of evidence to support such a claim and it suggested without this evidence that they were possibly of Soviet origin but then of course there was the Intriguing testimony of uh US Air Force officer Edward Rupel who m talked about he'd seen a secret project sign report and he blew the whistle on it estimate of the situation which had declared secretly that these objects were interplanetary CL craft there's a whiff here of a cover up Declassified FBI files also show that edga Hoover J Ed Hoover the FBI director was briefed in 1950 about reports of 50ft wide crack flying sources and small humanoid bodies being recovered from the New Mexico desert and unfortunately for the ufi the FBI this UFO memo was written up by an officer an agent called guy hotel and it's become the most requested item in the FBI Files the FBI is at pains over the years to say that hotel's memos memos allegations were never corroborated there was never any finding that it was all true but it soon becomes clear that the many compelling witness reports that provided the basis for these claims from purported crashes at Roswell Aztec New Mexico and kingsman Arizona they cannot be quickly discounted time and time again Witnesses reported being threatened even told they would be murdered if they talked about this why what was being covered up even the Air Force couldn't explain the McMinville case in 1950 when a guy called Paul Trent and his wife photographed a classic flying sourer shaped object and the Air Force tied itself up in knots trying to find an explanation and they couldn't find one and so they wrote in a memo this is one of the few UFO cases in which all factors investigated appear to be consistent with the assertion that an extraordinary flying object silvery metallic disc shaped tens of meters in diam evidently artificial flew within sight of two witnesses and then there was Canadian scientist Wilbert Smith I love the story who managed to find people with apparent knowledge of the US secret program including Robert Sabaka a US scientist who'd worked for the US government's World War II office of scientific research and development an eminent us scientist and Smith declared in his once secret memo to the Canadian government not only that flying sources exist but this was the most highly classified subject in the US government rating even higher than the hbomb he even outed Dr vavar Bush as the head of the group running this secret program and it makes sense because Bush was the presidential Scientific Advisor the very very first during the Manhattan Project and it's significant that neither the Canadian nor the US government have ever made any attempt attempt to rebut Wilbert Smith's allegations and moreover before his death Robert Sabaka the US scientist who' helped Wilbert Smith's investigations actually admitted in a letter that he knew about the recoveries note the plural of flying sorcer craft and he described the extremely light and very tough materials that were recovered he even talked about aliens that he said looked very like insects and in his candid letter he expressed his regret that this issue had been so highly classified and why the existence of these devices was so aggressively denied it's going to be very interesting to see what the Canadian government's Sky Canada project uh its report into more recent allegations of Canadian scientific collusion with the secret us UAP program finds when it's released later this year I'm not holding my breath what I should say is it's recently suggest it's been suggested to me that I should investigate certain named Canadian scientists who've been working I'm told with the US government on retrieved non-human technology and it's a secret that's being kept by faceless bureaucrats from the Canadian Prime Minister and the defense minister I sure hope they're not going to try and cover that one up because it's not going to go well the official public line for 70 years has largely been that there's been nothing to this UFO nonsense it's a line sadly pushed today by yapping in Curious lap dogs in the mainstream press recently there's been a series of reports on uaps drones if you believe the US Air Force that's the new Swamp gas they're being routinely seen hovering with imp parent impunity over nuclear and military installations and I was surprised to see in the Declassified historical archives considerable evidence showing there was grave concern about these exact same objects appearing in the 40s and the 50s over extremely sensitive US National Security installations such as Los alos and Oak Ridge where America was making the bomb scientists and Military Work working there was seeing these objects frequently and Air Force investigators admitted quote here we run out of even Blue Yonder explanations that might be tend might be tenable and we're left with numbers of incredible reports from credible observers something is monitoring our most secure National Security installations that's a scientific fact right now as the US Air Force's own paperwork shows and it's been going on for seven decades why is it not recognized as way strange that the US Air Force today reluctantly admits a worrying pattern of ongoing UAP sightings over key US Air Force bases and nuclear installations sites which are a clear and present National Security risk and yet it cannot provide it hasn't provided a shred of evidence to back up its weak claim that these are somehow drones from a supposed foreign adversary government drones that have been seen to hover in the air Against the Wind at extraordinarily high altitude for days at a time in remote oceans hundreds of miles offshore miraculously avoiding capture by the most powerful mil on the planet that I remind people has spent tens of millions of dollars on developing anti-drone technology for that matter why is so much of what the government knows about the supposed balloon shootdowns over the Continental USA last year still so highly classified especially that Alaska object which I do believe was anomalous another sound reason to take this issue seriously is to look at the caliber of the former government officials who were coming out 70 years ago pushing for UAP transparency and suggesting that the government was hiding something car Nell Lou alzando and David grush have illustrious predecessors the founder of naikap the US national investigations committee on aerial phenomena was Thomas towns hend Brown the chap I mentioned earlier um the founding director of the CIA this is the one I love vice admiral Rosco Helen Cotter a hugely experienced Naval intelligence officer a former commander of the USS Missouri within a year of leaving his CIA job what does he do he becomes a UAP transparency Advocate and then he was also joined by a top US Navy rear Admiral Delma fani why are they doing that why did Helen Cotter in 1960 become a UAP transparency and testify to Congress quote it is time for the truth to be brought out in Congressional hearings this is a former DCI what truth did Admiral hen Cotter know in 1960 from his time in Naval intelligence and as the head of the CIA the parallels today with that with David grush an exemplary intelligence officer entrusted with the highest presidential secrets are extraordinary while on Nik Cap's board Helen Cotter and rear Admiral FY also publicly criticized the fact that many witnesses had stopped reporting their sightings to the US Air Force because of frustration that their investigations went nowhere and does that sound familiar of course it does because it's exactly what the um the arrow is doing today the pentagon's all domain anomaly uh res resolution office I mean it's a ridiculous name there's also something that that was done back then as well when naikap started attacking the US Air Force the US Air Force started attacking naikap to try and discredit them sound familiar yet again it's exactly what the pentagon's been doing to Lou alzando and David grush trying to discredit them with Sly malicious and deceitful leaks to selected tame media just like grush and Co former CIA director Hillen Cotter did his homework he got hold of a leaked memo showing that while the Air Force was publicly debunking UAP sightings in secret it was prioritizing the monitoring of uaps why was a supposedly fictitious phenomen phenon being secretly acknowledged in a memo as serious Air Force business the simple fact is there's a hefty weight of Declassified government files that prove the bleeding obvious that sections of the US Military and intelligence Community know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on my favorites are the discoveries in cables from for example the US Air Force atache and Kabul Afghanistan reporting the discovery of a physical flying sorcer 15 m in circumference with thick small glass windows that doesn't sound like a satellite or space debery and apparently the Russians beat the Americans to it we don't know what happened to that object there's also a heavily redacted CIA Memo from 1968 describing a metallic disc-shaped object with a 6-t base 4T in height that was found in a crater in nepool this is one of a series of documents that refers to a covert program known as project moondust which it's long been suspected was involved in retrievals not only of foreign adversary technology but also of non-human craft and interestingly in light of the fact that David grush acknowledged last year that there is an ongoing secret Cold War underway with our potential foreign adversaries over retrieved technology the files suggest this isn't something new and this is where things started to get interesting for me journalistically because my first breakthrough in the program was actually an Australian alleged linked UAP retrieval details from an Australian Air Force photographer who some decades back was summonsed by his commanding officer in Darwin and told he would be helping the Americans out with an unspecified overseas photography job I've never spoken about this before and I've got to be careful to protect my ongoing inquiries this merry photographer though was told that the job was very secret and it was obvious the Australian Commander had no idea what he was being asked to do it was totally need to know and strange as this request by a foreign military like America may sound this is how Australia does things we've been very much a servile willing supplicant to American intelligence and British intelligence for many many years and a lot of the people I know inside Australian intelligence are rightly quite proud of some of the things we've done to help defend Western democracy but we've also done some stupid things and one of the things I covered and reported for Australian TV in 1994 was a huge expose about our secret service Asis the equivalent of the CIA and Asis had people who did technical bugging and tapping we were very good at it and we still are and the Brits asked if they could borrow one of our chaps and without asking what it was for only too happy to please our government's intelligence service said yes and they sent him off it was the aftermath of the 2003 golf War and the Kuwaiti government was putting out huge contracts for the rebuilding of Kuwait and what I learned from one of these technical operations guys was that he had bugged the CU Kuwaiti government offices for MI6 the British sis so that the British could win commercial contracts oh against the Australians but it had been kept secret and so when I finally broke the story it emerged that neither the defense minister nor even the head of the Secret Service knew that their staff were being loaned at this way and this is how plausibly deniable things have been done by America and by the UK for many years and it's been an area of research for me as a journalist for a long time and so I am about to tell you about an alleged Australian involvement in what I suspect was a nonhuman craft retrieval because what this Australian military photographer said he was tasked to do was he was picked up by an American Air Force plane in Darwin flown to a remote Southeast jungle location driven into a deep part of the Jungle and as he described it there in the jungle was a dis shaped craft under intense supervision he was told to photograph everything about it inside and out he was then told to develop the negatives in front of his American supervisors he then had to hand over the photographic gear and the camera and the film and make sure that he wasn't taking any with him he was then warned not to discuss with Australian superiors what he'd done and what he'd seen and he never did I was the first person that learned about what had happened as far as I know the Australian government has no idea that this Australian serviceman was involved in a retrieval operation and the interesting thing was when I first spoke even tangentially about this incident I got phone calls from people I knew in Special Forces in Australia saying I should speak to certain people and I was introduced to Australian Special Forces soldiers who'd been on suc condent to the British s in Herford and one of them told me he'd been involved in a retrieval in a European country of a craft there are shocking allegations if I was to accept what these alleged firsthand Witnesses were telling me there was and still is a secret cold war going on between the Russians the Chinese and the Americans to secure what I am told and I have no way of definitively proving this this is data it's the start of an investigation what I am told a retrieved non-human craft there are even allegations that we are bringing down these craft offensively using weapons and I know that sounds crazy I'm telling you what I am being told if these claims are true then we have acted reprehensibly with a nonhuman intelligence s in our avaricious effort to be the first to secure an advantage with their technology it's a moral stain on what should be one of the greatest moments in human history first Contact I can well imagine and I say if if these allegations are true I can well imagine this awful secret is one that some in government have decided decided it is best to stay concealed now I know what many of you are probably thinking this is SciFi nonsense silly stories pedal by attention seeking Walter mes to a credulous and gullible journalist that's what I thought I was skeptical I still don't know whether to believe it I do fear I'm being fed disinformation but I've heard now the same story from so many sources beginning to think it might plausibly had some truth to it then around this time in my research a flood of letters started happening it was first a trickle then a flood it took months for people to respond to my 160 plus letters but after what I suspect was an agonizingly difficult decision for them to decide whether to engage they did and I began speaking to some extraordinarily clever and I say this on their behalf patriotic people people who love their country love and respect their constitution honor their National Security oath but think you've got a bloody right to know about what they know and I'm angry on their behalf I will die in a ditch if need be I'd rather not to protect the anonymity of the sources I spoke to and am still engaging with but one of them I can name because he authorized me to he called me on an open line out of the blue and I could barely believe who he was because if I was to think of the one person who I wanted to speak to me it was him his name was Nat kobitz he was the US Navy's former longtime director of Science and Technology development their Chief R&D scientist their Chief geek for many years for over 30 years he was a beautiful wise cracking 92-year-old Brooklyn Jewish scientist with a beautiful sense of humor and sadly when I caught up with him he was dying from cancer and faked dictated that I caught him at the perfect time he was sitting in his Baltimore home Bor out of his brain with too much time on his hands and here was this Aussie journalist asking him about the work that he'd done as part of the greatest Generation with the US Navy's R&D division he was fiercely proud of what he achieved and so he should be and over several months he finally opened up to me about what he was on his own admission read into he was briefed on the program and he told me that he had been read into a classified program involving retrieved nonhuman technology recovered alien spacecraft he eventually admitted that he was officially briefed that America had retrieved multiple non-human craft and that he was aware there was a secret operation underway for decades in his words to undertake to reverse engineer them he admitted that most of what he knew was effectively hearsay although from some excellent official sources this is something he'd been briefed into in His official capacity he did admit that on one occasion he was flown to right Patterson Air Force Base literally taken deep underground taken to a secure room and shown what looked like some kind of Bulkhead from a craft which he believed was constructed in a way that defied conventional explanation the craft skin and inner bulkhead were Composites bonded at an atomic level he suspected it was nonhuman intelligence technology but being the scientist he was infuriatingly he wouldn't say to me it was alien Tech he would just say it was something he had never seen that any human could make Nat was a patriot he was a decent honorable public servant he respected the fact that this program was being kept secret for a reason but as a scientist he also recognized that the American public and especially Congress had the right to know what was being done with taxpayer dollars and he frankly told me that as far as he knew there was no good justification for keeping it secret so he never told me why he'd actually done this but shortly after he passed from cancer in 2020 I started getting messages and calls and it turned out he basically told people to get in touch with me I found it very very difficult to accept a lot of what they told me I still do I find it mindblowing that I'm in this position as a serious insect journalist who spent his career investigating crime and Corruption that I'm on the edge of what is the most Fringe subject in the world but every single one of these people that Nat put me on to was talking about one thing the program a highly secret very very very carefully compartmentalized retrieval effort of non-human technology craft and an identically highly protected reverse engineering program being conducted in secret facilities across the United States retrieval teams rigidly compartmented operations absolutely need to know mindboggling secrecy multiple sources have told me that there was a very clear threat made if you talk about this you will be killed and there are allegations David grush has made them as well I have been told by multiple people that people have been murdered to protect this secret make of that what you will as we all know politicians scientists intelligence community and Military whistleblowers are now openly accusing the US government of a massive decades Long coverup they're suggesting the world has been egregiously misled in a deliberate disinformation campaign designed to suppress interest in a phenomenon that contrary to its public position the US has always in fact taken very seriously indeed and throughout 2023 as we all know there's been a determined effort by a bipartisan group of very senior us politicians to try and get legislation through the Congress to force transparency and disclosure Provisions into America's annual defense budget and what finally passed into law mandated some of what might help a government wide UAP records collection to be held by the US National Archives but I don't expect for a moment that the agencies allegedly responsible for this massive cover up are going to willingly hand over what they see as the crown jewels to temporary employees that's the Dilemma you face it's not my problem I'm not an American it's up to you what you do about it but I'm told this was hidden long ago in private corporate Aerospace in full anticipation that the day would come when Congress would start asking questions a key provision in the bill that was proposed last year would have mandated emminent domain the confiscation of UAP related material and it was struck down but the mere fact the mere fact that that senior politicians like Chuck Schumer the Senate Majority Leader one of the most powerful people in the Congress was prepared to put his name to a document in the Congress talking about the retrieval of nonhuman intelligence technology we've passed a Tipping Point what is very very unusual about this push in Congress for this greater UAP disclosure on an issue that many people still regard as a fantasy is that it is backed by many high-powered politicians among them the Democrat Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer the Republican Vice chairman of the Senate select committee Marco Rubio the Republican senator Mike RS the ranking member of the subcommittee on cyber security for the armed services committee and the Democrat Senator Kirsten gillibrand who serves on the Senate committees for both intelligence and armed services a previous highly respected Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid the late Harry Reid also played a huge role in pushing Congress to make these laws and to begin aggressively investigating what the government knows about uaps why would two Senate majority leaders members of the soall gang of eight which is the one group in the Congress that is briefed into all of America's most deep Secrets why would they put their reputations on the line to promote disclosure of a supposedly non-existent non-human intelligence and Technology operating secretly on our planet politicians do not put their names to bills unless they have very good grounds for doing so and there are also lowerhouse politicians pushing for public Congressional hearings into uaps just as happened in the 197 Watergate and church committee hearings where whistleblowers would get their chance to testify under oath and after the pentagon's UAP investigation office Arrow issued a report in February categorically denying the existence of illicit UAP efforts with retrieved extraterrestrial technology Senator gillibrand pledged that she wanted public hearings she said it's definitely not Case Closed her comments and those of other politicians suggest Congress suggests something is being concealed on uaps and it's now determined to investigate there are extraordinary allegations that have been aired as we all know in June 2023 almost a year ago David grush went public with his allegations he basically alleged on both the debrief and also on news Nation with me that the US is running a secretive UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program and that it is in possession of non-human technology including craft along with their dead Pilots biologics yes aliens that's David gush's allegations and he filed in 2022 a whistleblower complaint with the US intelligence Community inspector en and this has been so misrepresented categorically the US Inspector General of intelligence and security sorry he he's the US intelligence Community Inspector General he deemed all of David gush's allegations including his allegations of a retrieval and reverse engineering program as urgent and credible there's been an attempt to suggest that it was just in relation to his allegations of reprisals that's not true the Inspector General of intelligence specifically found that it was an urgent and credible issue for investigation by the Congress credible that David grush had made an allegation of a secret retrieval and reverse engineering program think about that that investigation's still ongoing David also gave hours of classified testimony and in a secure room for the Senate Select Committee for intelligence he named names he gave locations he's given Congress the names of heos who are The Gatekeepers and he's made it very very clear that he's detailed everything about what he knows about the program he specifically gave evidence under oath under oath so he risks criminal prosecution if he's lied detailing his allegations to the house of Congress oversight committee explaining that his allegations were based on information he'd been given with individuals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to their country many of whom shared compelling evidence in the form of Photography a official documentation and classified oral testimony weigh that well he also explained how he was tasked by the uaf director to identify all the special access programs and controlled access programs the secret folders around which the secret has been kept related to uaps and he said I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional readons he also alleged that the programs he uncovered were operating in breach of oversight rules that mandated Congress must be informed about all such secret programs the US defense department has conspicuously not commented at all about Mr grash or his specific allegations they've used Arrow the pentagon's congressionally mandated UFO investigation office but arrow is only as good as the information that it's given and whether its leadership mandates a proper investigation my Impressions to date suggest that most Witnesses with direct knowledge of the Legacy retrieval and reverse engineering program wouldn't go within kui of Arrow as we say in Australia they just don't trust the Pentagon to investigate its own Dirty Secrets which led to Arrow declaring in a report earlier this year that it hasn't found any empirical evidence that any citing of the UAP represented offwell technology or the existence of a classified program that had not been properly reported to Congress it also went on on to say that investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena and then there was this line which I just think is incredible although many UAP reports remain unsolved arrow assesses that if additional quality data were available most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena what sophistry arrow is suggesting that it's able to declare on its own admission it has no evidence to back such a claim but it's asserting that most of these other unsolved cases would be capable of prosaic explanation I'm sorry but such a contention is unscientific and it displays a lack of objectivity how can you reach any conclusion until the empirical data has been collected and assessed it's an Express admission that Arrow was pre-judging the assessment the report frankly was a total joke and I know some Arrow staff are extremely embarrassed by its findings many commentators have since criticized the report including senior politicians in Congress because Arrow the Pentagon did not do a proper investigation into the allegations raised by David grush and many other Witnesses who've testified to the Congress in secret and conspicuously this is so important there has been no specific public response to David gush's allegations from the Independent Office of the Director of National Intelligence the odni that's the independent intelligence Zar that since the catastrophic intelligence failures of 911 overseas and Co ordinates all us intelligence agencies in fact its annual report in 2022 appears to directly contradict Arrow because it made the finding that UAP events continue to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace highlighting possible concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity it also said UAP pose a safety of flight and collision Hazard to air assets potentially require iring aircraft off operators to adjust flight patterns in response to their unauthorized presence in the airspace operating outside of air traffic control instructions and standards and it also said UAP contined to represent a hazard to flight safety and pose a possible adversary collection threat and then in December 2023 after Ohio Congressman Mike Turner LED a push to block the key Schumer amendments that would have allowed whistleblowers to come forward and give evidence with more security to the Congress the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer no less spoke on the floor of the Senate clearly angry and he confirmed that he believed the US government was refusing to share information on uaps with the American people Senator schuma said uaps are of immense interest and curiosity to the American people but with that Curiosity comes the risk for confusion misinformation and mistrust especially if the government isn't prepared to be transparent the United States government has gathered a great deal of information on uaps over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people this is the Senate Majority Leader saying this this is wrong and additionally breeds mistrust this does the kicker paragraph We have also been notified by multiple credible sources that information on uaps has been withheld from Congress which if true is a violation of laws requiring full notification to the legislative branch especially as it relates to the four Congressional leaders the defense committees and the intelligence committee and in apparent Defiance of the Pentagon arrows office to do its level best to downplay the UAP issue the senior so-called j3 intelligence Joint Chiefs staff advising America's Joint Chiefs of Staff are taking uaps very seriously indeed in an foi act request obtained by researcher Douglas Johnson there are orders that were sent out to all US military commands in May 2023 that mandated the collection of all UAP data it it set out procedures for reporting and Gathering data on contemporary military encounters with uaps and it reads the US government has observed UAP in or near the territory and operating areas of the United States of its allies and of its adversaries and observing an identifying and potentially mitigating UAP has become a growing priority for US policy makers lawmakers and War Fighters the potentially ubiquitous presence of UAP defines the National Security implications of those anomalies which range from operational hazards and threats to technological and intelligence surprise to adversaries strategic miscalculations it is imperative that DOD provide UAP incident incursion and engagement for the Department's detection and mitigation of potential threats exploitation of Advanced Technologies and informing policy maker and War fighter decisions that is not a pentagon that is disinterested in uaps and the explicit reference to the National Security implications of those anomalies in the joint Chief's document puts the pentagon's most senior commanders in apparent conflict with the report from their own UAP investigation office it's history repeating itself while one arm of the Pentagon publicly dismisses uaps it's behind the scenes being acknowledged as a grave national security threat now you're probably getting very sick of listening to me by now I sure am but before I finish I want to tell you about an initiative that I'm involved in back in Australia the nonhuman intelligence Research Institute nh.org it's been founded with the extremely generous support of an Australian neuroscientist and businessman called Dr Anton uov it's the first organization of its kind in the australasian region we plan to fund collaborative scientific research projects into unidentified anomalous phenomena and we are very interested in funding generously collaborations with scientists worldwide we're already working with Dr beus villal Who I know is presenting at this conference to assist her superb Research into so-called astronomical transients another planned project is the construction of absolutely state-of-the-art observation stations that will be placed in UAP hotspots these will be mobile using absolutely best case top-of-the-line technology we hope they will collect extensive data on UAP so if anyone here or anyone watching thinks they have a a scientific project that might help us crack the mystery of uaps and you're interested in pitching for nhir institutes fund in support and I can tell you Anton's deadly serious he wants to support good science let's talk we think it's time to stop waiting for governments to admit what they know we plan to science the truth there's a pile of my cards here don't hold back thank you very much um I think you wanted questions [Applause] yeah yeah one more time Ross colart what an incredible way to kick off the 2024 aapc conference now we're going to do a few questions I think we've got just enough time don't we we're a little behind schedule but hey he had a lot to say didn't he I'm so sorry if I wbbl on yeah now with the questions I do want to quickly say and I'll say a little more about this later that we're all using the hoova app most of you probably got emails about this with updates it's probably the best way for you to include your questions but there are also little cards on the table where you can do it the oldfashioned way like Ross would do right write it down and put it in the mail so indeed and that's obviously very effective so if you'd like to write on your cards and pass those up to the front I think that rich and some of the folks are going to be helping to get those up here to me I'm going to start though on a few on the Hua app and I'm going to give you a little briefing tomorrow morning by the way about how that works for the time being let's kick off with this one Ross we have the following question it seems that most people active in the UAP Arena have given up on the on challenging the mainstream media's wholesale shunning of the UAP topic do you believe it's a lost cause or do you and they emphasize this do you honestly think mainstream media can be brought around to cover the topic appropriately you know what I don't think mainstream M Media Matters anymore one of one of the things that I'm fascinated by as a journalist is I think I'm personally responsible for the decline of hot Le in newspapers film in television every single thing that I've used to report in journalism has gradually gone defunct during my career and of course the real reason is because of the encroachment of the internet what has happened is this incredible secret and it is a secret it is real has been kept because at the very time that we need quality investigative journalism at a level we've never seen before the money that used to provide rivers of gold to the great newspapers and the huge TV stations it's not there anymore and most of the media networks are just they're sniffing Vapors they're running on empty they don't have the huge investigative staff they used to have when I first started in newspapers I was one of probably 20 investigative reporters in my newspaper and now I'm often the only reporter doing investigative journalism in an entire TV network there's no money anymore and so when you go to a boss and you say as I did once I want to go to the United States and talk to a guy called Chris melan uh who tells me that there's a really interesting story about UFOs not only did I meet with hostility to the whole idea because of the embarrassment about the stigma of UFOs from the boss of the program I was working for it was also cost these things cost money most of the people are persuaded to talk I've only persuaded them to talk by sitting down and talking to them the process of travel the process of exposition that takes work and that Great era of investigative journalism where great papers like the New York Times the LA Times the Boston Globe I mean it's a beautiful period in American journalism but it's over and it's why you're not seeing a lot of good quality journalism anymore on a lot of issues in the American Media or in my media and so I I've given up lamenting the failure of mainstream media because it's not their fault I've spoken to editors about this a lot of my friends are now editors of major newspapers or TV networks and they're pained by the fact that they don't have staff to deploy to go out and investigate stuff but what is interesting and I've learned this for myself I put an interview up with Gary Nolan late last year just almost just as as a filler Channel 7 said to me in Australia look if you got any interviews you think are interesting that people might want to watch and we can put it up over Christmas it's been watched nearly 3 million times the last time anyone in the media had ratings of 3 million was probably 40 years ago what's happening is media is moving online and online is incredibly powerful it's much more powerful than mainstream media I routinely on podcasts that I do or on shows that I do like reality check on news Nation we outrate major networks on National Television because there's an audience from all over the world that even if they're not getting it in mainstream media they want it and they're interested there's a wisdom of the crowd on this subject they want to know what's going on and they smell a rat indeed well said here's another question this comes here we go yeah we've got time for clapping uh we've got a question that comes from here in the audience this evening Ross what does it mean for the scientific Coalition for UAP studies methodical approach to characterizing UAP the slow steady and empirical approach in another words the scientific method and how long it often takes to evaluate things scientifically if what Ross describes turns out to be true and I say if you know I always concede there is the possibility that this is some incredible Mass disinformation program that the dozens of people I've now spoken to about this have been a setup by I don't know office of O and the CIA or whoever I doubt it but what does it mean for science what it means is we've just got to keep on digging I mean it's there it really is I mean I I I the the incredible thing is I've had conversations with Scientists in the program who are angry that they can't do what we're all doing here sharing And discussing ideas which is the fundamental idea behind good science peer review my understanding is that a large part of the technological breakthroughs that should have happened with this technology if this is true haven't been able to be achieved because frankly we haven't been able to share ideas with other scientists particularly in Material Science who might be able to advise how things are constructed I spoke to one guy who told me he'd worked for 20 years on one particular object but it was so compartmented he'd only ever been able to look at videos and photographs and descriptions of the object he'd never been allowed to physically touch it think about that and every year he would come to his office sit in that office and he wasn't allowed to talk to the people in either office either side of him and discuss what it was that he was working on and neither were they this whole program if it exists of course is so heavily compartmented that it's constraining the discovery of scientific advancements that could benefit all of humanity not just a select group of people in private Aerospace who I suspect have made the decision that this is theirs our next question here we're getting quite a few about some of the recent uh amendments and in the bill language that's appeared actually fairly recently this one comes from folks online what are the odds that Congressman Robert Garcia's proposed amendments to Majority Leader Schumer's UAP legislation will face significant revisions or get gutted again before it passes I think it will at the moment because there is a I don't know what it is I I I mean I I love Coming to America I've come here pretty much every year multiple times a year for the last 35 years and I've seen a change when I was a little boy I loved the fact that there was this Apollo space program that had been achieved by this amazing country America that had made incredible technological achievements and so much of it happened here in Rocket City and I was given I was very lucky a good friend of mine um organized a VIP tour of me for me of the Marshall Space Center this week and I went and stood by the test platform where Veron Brau tested his first Rockets here in America it was history an incredible era where you know some of America's greatest Generation achieved technological achievements that are just absolutely mindboggling but right now America feels broken it feels like it's lost its way and and it's really interesting because what could singlehandedly motivate America you need like a Manhattan Project nothing could do it more than to be able and and this is what I find bewildering I've asked so many people including quite senior people who've rung me knowing that I will obviously even though they're telling me things that betray the fact that they know for well they're admitting the existence of a program I've had conversations with people in private Aerospace asking me what they should do it's perverse and I've said what's the reason why why are you keeping this secret and they talk with just enough angularity just enough Detachment from any admission but what they're skirting around is the fact that they're sitting on this monstrous secret and to me nothing could transform America more or Humanity more than the realization that we are not alone you know we'd perhaps forget our differences in Ukraine or North Korea or China or Russia and think of ourselves as humans imagine what science could achieve what Humanity could achieve if we could deploy the minds of everybody in this room and anybody in the world to achieve technological breakthroughs my understanding is that what we're doing with this technology with this retrieved technology is we're essentially pigging piggybacking on it we're not r engineering it we're retrofitting it in a way that allows us to use it I won't go any further than that I know a lot about it and by the way if anybody ever did decide to push me under a bus believe me every name of every person that I've been told I haven't been able to verify it so I can't publish it everything I know will be published by multiple people who I've sent copies of what I have all around the world I'm mindful of the fact that I do know people have been murdered and that's a big call I know people have been murdered to protect the secret and so coming back to answer your question this is the biggest secret in human history and I don't give a toot whether people call me a conspiracy theorist on a level of probability I'm pretty bloody sure it's true and what they're doing is they're misusing the laws of your country to hinder what is a constitutional right by Congress to oversight every arm of government now if Americans don't care about that then you can go another 60 years in ignorance it's up to you I mean frankly I I actually don't think the amendment will pass in its current form I think it will be emasculated and frankly unless you the American voter can motivate politicians to actually do something about this it's a complete waste of time and just like Rosco henot tried in 1960 and was publicly vilified for doing so a former DCI of the C CIA went public within a year of leaving office pushing for UA pay transparency what the hell what why did he do that he did that because he knew about the program he thought it was monstrous outrageous that this secret was being kept and I do but I don't vote but I happen to think that America the greatest Generation showed in this Town 60 years ago things that me as a little boy I loved it it inspired me you as a country can do great things and you've lost your way it's as simple as that this is this is an issue that goes to the absolute heart of what you've all been told you know your country is great that's a load of steaming right now you you're failing and you're failing because there's this monstrous secret that's being perpetuated trillions of dollars I suspect have been diverted from your budgets you can't even fix your roads what the hell why don't you vote these Pricks out and get people in who are going to make a change we're almost out of time but you know on the heels of that I think it would only would be appropriate to get one more from our live audience here at the Rocket City Tavern this question Ross what actions can activists take to effectively pressure elected officials to demand more transparency it really is as simple as I mean I I know there was a the new paradigm Institute for example held a demo in uh DC and you know only a number of people turned up good old-fashioned tub thumping political campaigning makes a huge difference I can tell you I've Got Friends that work in ministerial office officers in government and nothing works better than sitting down and handwriting a letter to a minister of government or a secretary of Department complaining about something if politicians started getting floods of letters telling them that this is an election issue but I know for example Trump's been briefed you know what's going on he's scared he's scared they're going to kill him if he reveals what he knows that's what I being told you have a situation where your potential president is terrified of speaking about the UAP issue because he's scared they're going to knock him I'm not kidding you I'm not making this up this is serious you know you have a national scandal at the heart of this it's not just about UFOs it's about your country it's totally screwed unless you resolve this issue it should be the dominant political issue if you can get this secret out the world will change overnight and I've heard that from people in the program they're deeply deeply angry that this secret is being suppressed They See No Good Reason one of the reasons it's being suppressed is because America has made weapons Dreadful weapons are you proud of that is that really what we want to do from technology that we've obtained by using offensive Weaponry against a fairly benevolent non-human intelligence is that really how we want to Define our first Contact because that's what we're talking about here and I don't know how to communicate this more seriously you know I'm I'm over talking about this as a possibility you might notice in the course of my speech I've used qualifications if this is true and I will always say that we have to concede the possibility that it's disinformation but too many people have told me that this is true and frankly if Americans don't care about it when they go to the polls in November you're screwed sorry I think that's actually all the time we have for for tonight but I do want to ask everyone please to give us another round of applause for Mr Ross colart Ross a long way to thanks for watching go to joinn in.com to find newsnation on your television provider and please don't forget to click that red subscribe button to ensure you get more of news nation's unbiased and fact driven news coverage