Immaculate Constellation for Dummies

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[Music] >> Welcome to the show. Aliens, yes, but maybe no with Josh and Travis. I'm Travis. >> I'm Josh. This is an otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title.

Now, I got to say right from the jump, we just downloaded the song to our soundboard and so we got to hear this song in real time and I am so pumped for it. I love our theme song so much. I'm going to make it my ringtone. >> I've listened to it over a hundred times cuz I'm pretty excited about it. >> Yeah, it rules.

>> Yeah. >> So pleased with it. >> That was Jordan. >> Jeez Louise. >> That was my wife.

>> There's nothing that she can't do. She also made our cover art and she's our researcher. >> Yeah. She's actually a ventriloquist and she's actually doing this podcast downstairs and all we're doing is moving our mouths. But because it's an audio podcast, you don't get to see it.

So this is Jordan. She's just doing our voices, too. Josh and I just show up together. It gives us an opportunity to drink and then just flap our mouths around. >> I mean, it works for me.

I enjoy it. >> Yeah, I do, too. Ah, >> I don't know if I would have the time or patience to put our dossas together and do the research. So, I don't think this podcast would exist without her. >> So, we've kind of been doing a I don't know, it's like a three-part >> series >> series, miniseries.

>> We did the congressional hearings. We did kind of a quick recap of the first one. And then we did the second one, the same episode, and then we did another episode of the third one, the one that happened in 2024. >> Yeah. >> In that 2024 hearing, there was something called the Immaculate Consolation.

>> Something dropped. Yeah, >> something dropped. It's pretty crazy. I was banned from learning anything about it until I got this dossier. And it's pretty cool.

>> Mhm. There's a lot of crazy things in it, especially since it's now in the congressional books, you know, like this is all it's it's nothing I haven't heard before, but knowing that >> we we've talked a lot about almost everything that's within this bit of information. Saying bit is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but we've talked about bits and pieces of this throughout the course of the podcast so far. So within this document, they talk about the different types of craft that have been spotted and the way they move and how quickly or how slowly and methodically they move through the atmosphere. >> Yeah.

If you've watched Ancient Aliens thoroughly, you've heard all the stuff. >> If you watch Ancient Aliens in its entirety, you've heard most of the things we've talked about on this podcast. >> That's true. But this report was written by an anonymous Department of Defense employee, which is really interesting. But it was after years of investigating unidentified anomalous.

So it used to be aerial, but they're like, "Oh, it's not just in the air. Unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAP, mysterious technologies and potential nonhuman intelligence." So this report, this document, >> that phrasing itself, I think, is very interesting. >> Non-human intelligence. I agree. The report approved for release by the State Department was added to congressional record in the November 2024 hearing led by Representative Nancy Mace called UAP, Exposing the Truth.

This report that was given to them is a 12page report claims there's a secret program named the Immaculate Constellation that has been studying UAPs in secret, but the Pentagon denies it exists. And they even had a spokesperson say there's no record of this program. >> And that person is the person that said there's no record of this said this in a congressional hearing. Essentially perjuring him themselves and this person should be tried, but nothing has been done. >> I'm just blown away that the Pentagon can do all this stuff, have all these secret black ops organizations inside the Pentagon that no one has access to, not even auditors.

It just it blows me away. They're just they have just a license to kill and no questions to ask and they it seems as though they're just kind of like laughing at Congress. >> It's because the military has gone unchecked for so long and we keep giving them money in the vein of well this is protecting our national interest but national a lot of money right >> just like you know whatever you got lying around like Congress is just digging through their couch cushions and holding bake sales you know to raise money for the military. Yeah. So, it's not a lot of money, but that money is going to the military.

I mean, we're talking trillions of dollars. >> It's mindboggling. It's hard for me to comprehend. Billions of dollars. >> Yeah.

>> I don't even want to try to even think about it. It is. It really is. >> Mhm. >> So, this spokesperson I didn't know.

So, there is there other congressional hearings going on other than these three? So during this congressional hearing and he didn't name names. So I don't remember if this person was in some of these other congressional hearings that we had watched or maybe something that we didn't but he had said that there's no and they have documentation from like 1991. That's what a huge chunk of this Immaculate Constellation information is derived from is from 1991 to now. >> Mhm. This person said the government has no involvement and does not agree that there are non-human technology here on Earth.

That anything that we're seeing is probably created by something here. >> I would say the same thing if I had non-human technology. >> I would like no that doesn't exist. Silly. >> I maybe I don't know.

I mean if the fact that we can say that we wouldn't do that or would do that is kind of like well if I won a billion dollars I would be very smart about it. You know, nobody can really know until you get that billion dollars. But then you talk to people or you hear about people that have won the lottery and it like absolutely destroyed their life. >> Yeah. I always said that if I won a ridiculous amount of money, I would not touch it for a year.

>> That would be so hard. >> But I know I would not do that. I would get a new car. I would I mean I would >> It would start slow. You would say like, "Well, I'm just going to pay off my medical bills.

>> Yeah. I'm going to buy my house outright so I own that and I don't have to pay a mortgage and yeah, I'll just put the rest and it'll just be like walking around money. And then suddenly all of your teeth are gold and you're walking on stilts and you get all this like weirdass stuff and you're like, "Oh, it's all practical." >> I mean, the size of your house in your front yard. >> Yeah. That puts out Kool-Aid.

>> Yep. Okay, let's get back on track. >> Oh, you don't want to change the name of this podcast to Millionaires Yes. But maybe no. An ambiguous podcast about winning the lottery.

>> Nope. with Josh and Travis. >> What would I do? >> Yeah, >> that probably has existed at some point. I would I would do this if I had money. Just someone >> just somebody which is fine.

It's fun to do, but no one It's like talking about dreams at night. No one really cares. >> Nobody cares. >> No. So, this author who did this whole document has remained anonymous and the details have been super scarce.

They even were trying to figure out in the hearing. Well, this is another thing like and later on in this dossier we have Jordan has some researchers notes that attribute an author to this and when you're talking to like Shelonburgger or not you like the royal you whoever's interviewing Shelonburgger he knows who it is. People that are in these congressional hearings they all know who the whistleblower is. You ask Jeremy Corbell and he seems to know George Knap they know who it is. So, it's like one of those secrets that everybody knows but won't say in a public setting.

>> Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think it's more serious than that, you know, with some of these people cuz it could destroy their lives and they could be in prison. I mean, it has it has some. Yeah, >> there has been rumors that it was Grush. >> David Grush.

Yeah. >> That wrote this and I heard those rumors right after like the day I watched it. >> Mhm. >> But really, it was unknown who did it. He was like the the boss of >> Well, he is a I mean, yeah, he's the big dog.

>> He was Yeah, he was the guy that >> he went and interviewed every single person and found out everyone's secrets in the government. And that's what he was doing. He's basically doing like an information audit of what everyone knows and he had the highest clearance >> and then he's like, whoa, this is bad. >> So, it's not too far a field to say that it might be him, but we're not nobody knows for sure and we're not here to dox anybody. >> Yeah.

And I I think that I mean in the document itself it mentions that a lot of this stuff is not public. >> Mhm. >> That means it's classified. So whoever leaked this needs to be protected. If it is Grush, which very well could be, he needs to be protected because he did something illegal.

>> Yeah. >> Potentially. So let's get into this. So this is a document. Section one of this 12-page document >> is titled unagnowledged special access program.

>> Yeah. And I believe there are six sections. >> Yeah. The seventh one is a very funny one. We'll get to that.

So this one is called the unacknowledged special access program, Immaculate Constellation. So Immaculate Constellation is a USAP unagnowledged special access program established after public disclosure of ATIP and OAP the programs by Lou Alzando in 2017. It utilizes a network of SAPs special access platforms to collect imagery intelligence on UAPs. This program, this is what the document is saying. This program operates outside legal congressional oversight and actively seeks to reverse engineer UAP technologies.

So, right off the bat, just instantly, hey, these people have this program and they're doing it without your knowledge. >> Mhm. >> Literally an unagnowledged special access program. A black op program. >> I need to know and you don't need to know.

>> Yeah. And they're saying a program doesn't exist and that it does. Mhm. >> Yeah, there's so much. >> I know it's it's very dense.

You're doing you're doing a good job of getting through it, but this is a very dense topic full of a lot of information >> and each piece of information has a whole bunch of information behind that as well. So, it's like the document itself isn't that large, but the wording and what it means and what it could mean for something else. >> 12 pages in the tiniest font. So, there's a lot of stuff on the page here. >> Yeah.

I recommend you can actually find this at congress.gov. >> Yeah, >> they have all the documentation there. >> Yeah. >> So, basically, right off the bat, this first section of this document says this exists. Immaculate constellation is a real thing.

They've been actively reverse engineering UAP technologies and they've been tracking them and they've been doing it underneath your noses without telling you. >> So, when we get into that a little later, the reverse engineering, I've got some things that I'd like to talk about. Do you want to talk about the second section? So, that was the first section. It's pretty basic. That was just a quick summary.

I highly recommend if you're listening, check it out. It took me 20 minutes to read and I got a lot of information. It just kind of expands on what I just said. I recommend reading it. >> Okay, so section two titled USG imagery intelligence.

And this is I'm not going to read everything that's within our dossia. I'm just going to do like my own summarization of it. This is just covering off the ways in which all of this information has been gathered. So they use infrared IRS forward looking infrared FLR fleer full motion video or FMVs. They use thermal and still photography.

And then through the course of this research, our researchers found that there were things that other means that were used to gather this information that wasn't included in the big four and that's signals intelligence and that's analyzing electronic signals like communications, radar, etc. So blips and beeps and stuff like that. Measurement and signature intelligence or mass m is the acronym. analyzing physical characteristics like heat signatures, electromagnetic radiation patterns or chemical compositions. And another thing that was mentioned was overhead persistent infrared or OPIR, a system of satellites and airborne platforms used to detect and track missiles from launched interception.

So that's basically what that second section is talking about. >> Yes, it covers all the ways which is really good to know that our government knows how to track this stuff. So they have experience, they have done trial and error, they figured out what to do. But the other thing that it was in this section that I thought was really interesting is that they explained that they kind of have like a big database >> but it is scattered across all the organizations and services making it fragmented and no one owns all of the information. >> Yep.

But that is part of their imagery intelligence or IMT which collects the data sets available to the department of defense and those are reviewed for this report. They take all this information and then they're basically creating one more concise narrative >> and that is the immaculate consolation. >> Yeah. >> So it does exist. There is one database with all of this >> but it was hidden.

>> Yep. Or maybe not hidden but just put in like a spam folder and you're like this seems interesting. We're just going to collect all the information we have. No information is bad information, which is a thing that I use at work. I want to know everything about my job.

And then I will determine what I need to distribute out to my team. >> Cuz you're a control freak. >> I a little bit. Yeah. >> Yeah.

Cuz you were hurt as a child. >> I mean, who wasn't? >> And you're grasping at straws. God control. >> We're getting into some deep stuff here. >> This is in the Immaculate Constellation.

They have a section just about you, >> Travis, Reich. Oh, man. Uh, I should have done more research. >> Yeah, you should have. >> I think I blacked out when I got to that section.

>> So, this section two actually goes over nine examples of UAP encounters. >> Yeah, it talks about it, but we have that later in the dossier. >> Yeah, we'll read it. So, that was section two. >> I mean, I could really quickly go over the nine.

Maybe not. Maybe this is this might be something. >> Yeah, it's a little too much. I just recommend that you guys look at the document. We're doing Immaculate Constellation for dummies right now.

very much so. >> We're just filling you in. >> I'm I'm I'm just going to list what they are. Cuboid formation of metallic orbs. So, there's a document incident of that.

Fast mover observed transisting over sensitive facilities. There's an instance. These are all part of these witnessed events. >> Yeah. >> Intelligence vessels positioned to collect on reproduction vehicle.

Equateradal triangle UAP tails unwitting vessel. uh large disc using clouds as concealment and it goes on and on like boomerang UAP observed by pilot and sensor suite jellyfish UP crosses US Mexico border. These are just these documented instances that are within section 2. So those plus the ways in which some of these things are tracked. >> Yeah.

And then going into section three, >> this is titled defense human intelligence reporting. This section uses over 400 defense reports on encounters with UAP UFOs by government personnel from 1991 to 2022. Right. The most common UAP shapes reported were spheres, orbs, discs or saucers, ovals or tic tacs, triangles, boomerang or arrowhead, and irregular and organic. So the triangles, boomerangs, and arrowhead shapes were by far the rarest, and the spheres are the most common.

>> Mhm. So the common observable behaviors and characteristics of UAP and UFO shapes. The author goes through each common UAP and observables like the speed, the size, the signatures, the colors, the surface details. >> So signatures that would be like what sort of output they have. So like we talk a lot when we're looking at >> things that run on combustible engines like heat signature, right? Like jets will put off a heat signature.

Anything that is burning something is going to have a byproduct of that, >> right? And then it goes on with behaviors, atmospheric phenomena, biological effects, and unique emissions. And Alzando has gone on some interviews and he's mentioned that these are what we look for to determine if this is an actual UAP or if this is a non-human intelligent >> thing. And it has to hit a certain amount of these to be a UAP. basically. So it goes on in the same section in section three and it kind of goes over what each one of these are.

So the sphere and orbs >> like finer defining >> Yeah. It goes over it kind of describes and defines what it looks like, where it usually flies, what it sounds like, how it flies. >> Do you have one that sounded the scariest to you? >> I mean the irregular and organic. >> Oh my god, man. That freaked me out.

I mean, because we all know what the oval and tic tac ones are. We've discussed those kinds before. The discs and saucers, we've all seen every Alien movie ever. >> Yeah. >> Spheres and orbs, those are pretty common if you don't I mean, these the spheres and orbs, they kind of just hover in a stationary place, but they can zip off pretty quick.

You can feel uneasy around it, and your electronics will usually malfunction and those kind of things. But the irregular ones like the jellyfish video that we talked about. >> So if any of you have seen the movie Jordan Peele's Nope, that is what I would describe. Like that sense of dread that I felt watching that movie when that alien finally revealed itself. Like it was a ship like a disc, but then it revealed itself that that was an actually organic thing flying around that traveled through the cosmos.

Uh, spoiler alert for Nope, sorry. That is what freaked me out because the people that witness these specific forms of phenomena have a physical reaction to it. Like they feel nauseous or a sense of dread or smells. They're physically affected by it and that's what freaks me out the most. >> I mean, and they're just creepy like the like you said.

I mean, it's just kind of like the worst case scenario of what you would imagine alien life would look like. Mhm. >> They kind of call it brain, like a floating brain or jellyfish, cuz it kind of has like the nerves that the brain has in the spinal cord, but without the human flesh. So, it's just kind of like this weird floating brain jellyfish thing. And they're bioluminescent and they kind of shift in color.

They kind of have like a fluid like surface. >> They can. Yeah. >> Their sizes vary, which is weird. >> But the fact that people identify them as organic freaks me out like that.

I when I think organic I'm like oh [ __ ] like a fleshy kind of exterior like a human like there's something about it that seems of earth but not of earth. So just very like >> well like you said there's physical sensations there's weird things but the weird one is the sudden temperature drop. >> Yep. Or feelings of nausea. >> Yeah.

The appearance of clouds psychological distress. Weird smells. So, this part of reading through the dossier, I went on a weird MRI tangent, looking to see if people experienced nausea when having an MRI done. A with contrast means that they're putting something in your body that goes into your blood and then that makes it more visible to this MRI. >> Yeah.

>> So, like highlights these organs and if you have metal in your body because you are in a giant magnet, it will rip it out of your body. So, if you have a piercing, they tell you to take your piercing out or else it's gone. If you have a metal knee or you've had back surgery, it will get ripped from your body. So, I went on this weird >> Oh, man. >> I don't I >> That sounds >> so right.

That was earlier today when I was reading through this again. And then, >> is that why you were crying when you showed up? >> I was sobbing. I was so upset. It was >> an upsetting thing to think about. Um, anyways, the point is is like getting around a magnet that is superpowered.

We talked about this on one of our other episodes, like how these ships maybe move through our atmosphere and that's maybe using Earth's magnetic field to kind of help propel them along. To have a magnet like that and then be around it probably would have give us like a nauseous feeling. >> Yeah, magnets can make people real weird. >> Magnets, electricity, and sound as well. They can make people go crazy.

Uh what is it called? The park accelerator. That's what I'm thinking. Just magnets that push things around like really fast. Somebody stuck their face in it and just like it melted it. >> What? >> Like killed all the muscles in that side of his face so it looked like he had a stroke.

>> Did he do it on purpose? >> Yes. >> For science? >> Probably like cuz you know how scientists get all crazy when they've been drinking their schnobs and they're like, "Dare me to do it." And they're like, "Yeah, man. Do it. Do it. Take another shot first." So, yeah, I dare you to put your face in the particle accelerator.

And then he [ __ ] did it. >> I can't believe that. >> I'm going to look it up. >> It had to have been an accident. >> Okay.

Um, in 1978, a man by Anatoli Borski accidentally put his head inside a particle accelerator on July 13th, 1978 when a safety mechanism failed, causing a beam of protons that passed through his head. He survived the incident, although he experienced significant radiation damage and neurological complications. So you can look this up and they have not like a before and after but they will put like a dividing line on his face and part of his face looks regular full of muscle and then the part that was in the particle accelerator it's like a very distinct line um looks almost like he had a stroke. >> Wow. >> It's wild.

>> That I mean >> so anyways magnets can I guess to like sum up that whole portion. >> Yeah. What are they doing? >> Magnets. What are they doing? Anybody ever talked to magnets? What are they up to over there? >> What's the uh the insane clown posi lyrics? They have a line. It goes, "Water, earth, air, dirt, [ __ ] magnets.

How do they work?" >> Like, >> asking the questions, man. They're just asking the questions, Josh. >> Yep. I >> Yeah. >> So, one of the other ones that was kind of scary for me was the triangular Okay.

ones because it's a black or dark gray object, sometimes with white lights and corners and central red light twinkling stars on its surface ranging in size from an F16 to a football field. >> Yeah, that's terrifying. >> That is some Independence Day [ __ ] >> that I don't want to be a part of. >> And they say that like the triangles come from like they range from like equilateral, so like all sides are equal to like an isosles where you know one side might be longer than the other. Just sizewise, that would be just as scary as the Oh, yeah.

irregular organic. >> Anything big freaks me out? >> Yeah. >> If I were to see a whale, I think I would have a panic attack. >> Are you afraid of whales? >> No. I've seen them out in the wild and they It's incredible.

And it fills me with like so much adrenaline. I just get really amped up because of how big they are. But I did not see them in their entirety. Like I've never seen a beach whale. If I were to see a beach whale, I would be overcome with just how big they are.

I have a very deep fear of deep water. I realized this going backpacking. We go up to these mountain lakes that are like can be very deep and very clear. >> Yeah. >> Where you can climb up like a lot of these lakes are, you know, in a bowl and so there's like a little ridge that kind of wraps around it.

And if you were climbing up this ridge, we would do day hikes, get up to the top of this ridge and look down, you could see so far down into some of these lakes you couldn't see the bottom. And that freaked me out. And that's when I realized, >> yeah, what's going on down there? What are they doing down there? >> Yeah. Has anybody asked the bottom of this lake what's going on? Something going on. >> How do they work? >> Like Crater Lake, that's uh one of the deepest lakes in the world.

>> Sure. >> So, finishing off section 3. >> There are some examples that we should read. So, these are some reports from military personnel >> that have experienced. These are encounters basically.

And this is in this immaculate constellation document. So the first one is the close encounter by CVN flight deck personnel. While on active duty in the Pacific, flight deck personnel working night duty experienced a close encounter with a spherical UAP of medium large size. On duty, flight deck crew observed a small orange red sphere maneuvering at high altitude above the CVN. Shortly after first observation, the UAP rapidly descended from high altitude to a position directly above the flight deck of the CVN, height approximately 100 to 200 yd.

The UAP maintained altitude and matched speed with the underway CVN for an uncertain period. Observing personnel reported altered perceptions of time during the close encounter. UAPs appeared to emit a soft orange red light which bizarrely did not illuminate the ocean or the flight deck of the CVN despite the visual appearance of intense luminosity. The surface of the UAP was observed to be dynamic, roing like the surface of the sun. The UAP took no reported actions during the encounter, only maintaining a close proximity to the CVN.

After an uncertain period, the UAP suddenly shot into the air, disappearing at a point high above the CVN. Observing personnel felt as if they snapped out of a trance and sense of profound unease. The incident report concludes with noting that the CVN had not responded in any way to what was perceived as a hostile interception by the UAP. I mean, this is one of the first examples of some of the documentation that they've had, but that is crazy. So, something bright without illuminating.

I've never even thought of something like that. And then roing like the surface of the sun. So, I mean, they were basically hypnotized, it seems like. >> Mhm. >> So, then there's one other one that it mentions, >> and it's the metallic orbs intercept an F-22 on Konis air surveillance and control mission.

So while performing a routine airspace surveillance and control mission in the eastern air defense sector, an F-22 fighter observed multiple UAP contacts at mission altitude, moving to intercept the F-22 pilot noted multiple metallic orbs slightly smaller than a sedan hovering in place. Upon vectoring towards the UAPs, a smaller formation of the metallic orbs accelerated at rapid speed toward the F-22, which was unable to establish radar locks on the presumed hostile UAPs. The F-22 broke trajectory and attempted to evade, but was intercepted and boxed in by approximately 3 to six UAPs. One UAP maneuvered in proximity around 12 m to the area directly starboard of the cockpit. There, the UAP established a rigid spatial relationship with the F-22, maintaining its exact position and orientation parallel with the F-22's cockpit despite multiple evasive roles and maneuvers.

Surrounded by the presumed hostile UAPs, the F-22 was forced out of the mission area under the escort of the UAP formation. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Holy [ __ ] is right. >> That is terrifying. >> Like I mean, you hear all these stories and it's like they're doing no harm and you know, they're just observing, but this was not observing. This was I mean, if you look at police car chases and these cops are guiding or boxing in a driver >> and they're maneuvering them somewhere else.

So that's what these guys are doing, the these UAPs. That's terrifying. >> It is. >> And this is in the document that Congress has. And this is information that the government has.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. And they said there's over 400 of these stories. >> Mhm. >> And they're keeping all this kind of information from Congress. And then they're researching.

They're doing all this stuff. Like I mean, it's this is a big deal. >> Sorry, I I kind of forgot that we were on a podcast and I was just getting lost. Well, lost in the information. um just how how wild it is.

>> Is this doing anything for your skepticism or is this kind of >> My skepticism is not that they like I've talked about. It's not that they exist or don't exist. It is the vehicle that this stuff is presented to us. >> So when I explain this podcast to people, I'll say my co-host, he believes in aliens. He believes that that has to exist.

>> Yeah. >> But the proof that Earth has provided him >> insufficient. >> Yeah. It's insufficient. It makes him skeptical because really he thinks none of it is proof.

But for me, I'm just a believer. I'm a forever believer. I get excited about believing things. It could be bonkers. I don't believe everything.

Obviously, I go into it logically, but I mean, from the information that I have so far, it does seem pretty logical that the military is hiding something and there's some pretty crazy [ __ ] going on. >> Yes, >> there is a third example. I encourage you guys to pull out that document and read it for yourself. We're going to go to the next section, section four, which is the DoD bureaucratic records. So, just quickly, this document alleges a deliberate effort within certain sectors of the US government to conceal the true nature of UAPs and the existence of programs like the Immaculate Constellation because this is not the only program that is around that is a uncknowledged special access program.

There's a bunch of those. So this includes denying access to information, misclassifying data, and misleading members of Congress. So they're purposely lying, purposely mclassifying data so it doesn't sound bad. They're probably purposely hiding data, and they're denying access to information to Congress. >> I look at it this as like yes, maybe they are intentionally hiding this.

That is a very distinct possibility, right? I think that based on how big the government is, a lot of this stuff is just accumulating data and putting it like we talked earlier in this specific show, putting it in a bin of sorts and then just kind of forgetting about it and then as politicians, you know, and then that's part of our democracy living in a or a republic where we nominate representatives and then they spend a certain amount of time in office. as those people metriculate or work their way through the system and out of the system, information gets lost or information gets put aside or projects get left behind. And I feel like that is closer to what we're experiencing with this. You know, heads of state getting fired and replaced um and the new information coming up and these directors of these organizations having their own directives, their own projects that they're trying to get going. And so the projects of the previous head may be put aside.

And so all that information is not going in the trash bin. It is just getting set aside and maybe put in a folder and then people are getting asked about it. And I don't think that they have the full breath of what has been researched. I think that does go on in the Department of Defense and the Pentagon and all this, but it sounds as though with Lou Alzando working with ATIP and some of the other programs, those were special access programs. So, there was active people working on all this information, trying to get as much information as they can.

Immaculate Constellation is an unagnowledged special access program with different people actively working to do all this stuff. And I don't know. I mean, I think Lou Alzando knows a lot and he can't talk about a lot, but he had to dig hard for a lot of the information that he had and he had to interview a lot of people and a lot of people wouldn't return his calls or would dodge his interviews and his questions. This Immaculate Constellation, if he had access to that, which I don't think he did, he wouldn't have to do all that digging and everything. It's all there, >> right? >> So, this is another project.

So, this isn't just hand-me-downs and loss information. I mean, this is an active program that they're saying isn't real. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. And how many other ones are there? >> So, section five is called restricted USG historical records.

>> So, it starts out GL/0000162-78. This serial number corresponds to an official NSA report published in 1978. The existence and content of this report was verified by accessing the appropriate intelligence archives and that it demonstrates the use technology explicitly asked to collect on foreign entities often relegated to the fringes of scientific research including parasychology and the biological effects of encounters with UAP. A lot of [ __ ] was going on in 1978. That's the same year that guy put his face in a particle accelerator.

>> It's a big year. That was my mind being blown. >> So they're doing deep fringe science on UAPs. Mhm. >> I don't know if this immaculate thing I mean this may not be part of the immaculate this is a NSA report.

>> This is the US asking to collect information on foreign entities often relegated to fringes. So this is like the fire in the sky guy Travis like his incident all these these accounts starting from 1978 are being collected. >> Okay. So Michael Shelonburgger he was in the 2024 UAP hearing. >> He's considered the well he's a journalist.

Um, and he is the person that this information I believe was supposedly leaked to. And then Shelonburgger moved this along. I think if I'm if I'm following this correctly, >> he was the middleman for sure. >> Shelonburgger says he knows who the whistleblower is. He's had conversations with this individual, >> right? >> Yeah.

>> And he knows the references and the sources that the individual got this information from and has talked to other sources >> to confirm that what is in this is true. >> Yes. So he's done his due diligence. >> So in the same conversations that he's had, he says, "I will not name this person." But then he also says David Grush's name. So maybe him making that contrast does indicate the the person that was responsible for this Immaculate Constellation report or information is not in fact David Grush.

>> Yeah. So Shelonburgger referenced a scanned handwritten note >> from 1985 by Oak Shannon in his written testimony on page 210. Oak Shannon is a former researcher scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Where do we know that from >> Bob Lazar who is tasked with reverse engineering craft and collected many interviews from UFO experiencers. Sounds similar to what Bob Lazar was talking about and he also worked at Los Alamos.

>> Yeah. >> On page 24 of the Shannon notes from 1985, it mentions NSA document with that number with a star next to it that says, "Look for this." So, the author highlights that documents like this give a glimpse into a secretive decadesl long competition between major terrestrial powers to collect and reverse engineer technologies derived from the study of UAP and non-human intelligence. >> Mhm. So when I read that part, I was so excited. This was not in this document.

This was a side note. >> It's just exciting to see that Bob Lazar was not the only whistleblower from Los Alamos. There was others. Maybe maybe this is also Bob Lazar. >> Shannon Lazar, but maybe it's a Nomniplume.

Could be. Could be. Yes, it is interesting to note that there are other people that witness the same thing that Bob Lazar did. And then the reverse engineering of these I think they specifically said like a triangle that they had shot down. Also in these notes it said that every major political player in the world has engaged and shot down a UAP which is wild.

>> That is wild but it would make sense. >> Yeah. >> I mean all the bigger powers >> have military. >> Yeah. Well I also think it's pretty vain to think that it's just the United States that they'd be interested in.

>> Yeah. >> When the world is a big place. I think even in this 12-page document, they mention that it is around military bases and it's a world thing. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll get into section six.

It's titled signals intelligence. So, the general conclusion of the worldwide UAP events occurring over sensitive military and intelligent facilities are that other countries are experiencing the same UAP events as the US. They are treated as a serious national security threat. The facilities affected are most often associated with aerospace defense, strategic deterrence, and military sponsored scientific research and development. Also, each nation has attempted to intercept and shoot down UAPs violating their airspace.

And each nation has internal organizations dedicated to studying UAP threats, scientific principles, and managing public perception of the UAP issue. So, it's happening everywhere. It's happening everywhere. Which was a question I asked early on in the show, or maybe it was off mic. I was like, "So, why are all these things happening here?" And your answer was, "Oh, no.

They're happening all over the place." >> Yeah. You just have to look. It's just it's not widely publicized, you know? I mean, that was the last point is each nation is managing public perception. Mhm. >> So this comes to the last section, section seven, which is hilarious and I love it.

>> Section seven is sensitive sources. >> Yeah. >> And the author of this 12-page document simply writes from mouth to ear. >> It's so funny. >> That's it.

>> Yeah. >> That's all there is. And this is like in the document the shortest thing, one little sentence. >> Yeah. And that's just pretty much like alluding to how this information was gathered.

He's not going to cite like >> Yeah. He's not going to tell his sources. >> Well, or or even site like a a scientific journal or anything like that because they're not trying to dox anybody. These are whistleblowers. It is though to your point, it is a very funny thing.

>> Yeah. It could refer to information passed verbally and not recorded officially. >> Mhm. >> It may relate to how the author obtained the information about sensitive intelligence collected against UAPs by foreign countries, but no one knows, right, what it actually means. He could just be like, "Uh, [ __ ] you.

I'm not telling you my sources. I'm no rat. >> Yeah, snitches get stitches. >> Yeah, >> [ __ ] I'm out. >> So, the conclusion of this entire thing, so this is right after section 7, the one line.

>> Mhm. >> So, in conclusion, the official disclosure of the existence of non-human intelligence or NHIS, and their presence on Earth is a pivotal moment in human history. The nature of this information is of such incomparable relevance to the public good that it demands to be shared. Some may object and say that disclosure at this time poses too many risks. To them, it must be said that we will never be able to predict how individuals, families, communities, and nations will react to revelations of such magnitude.

Moving forward, we must guard against the lure of authoritarian solutions justified by expediency and appeals to national security. The good in humanity will always triumph through time. And it is in the moment of crisis that our capacities for achieving the extraordinary are discovered. Be not afraid. What a conclusion.

>> It's nice. >> I like it. >> It's motivating. >> It is. It's hopeful.

>> It It reminds me of the speech from Independence Day. >> We will not go quietly into the night. >> Yeah. >> This is a little more hopeful than that. This is like, yes, these things are happening, but we have always managed throughout the course of human history to find a way to get through it.

>> Yeah. Humans thrive and we thrive even more when there's something that's holding us back or something that's scary or sad, we band together, >> that he said, "Goodness will always triumph." I think that's that's nice and that's that's hopeful. And then don't be afraid, you know, just be courageous, be brave. >> Yeah. And we've mentioned this before in another episode where I think it needs to happen.

Humanity needs to band together finally because we're so torn. I mean, just the United States alone, but then there's the world politics. Like, we're all human >> and we all need to work together. We all need to realize that we are all the same and we need to come together and I think that will move us drastically forward for the better. >> Yeah.

So, that was the Immaculate Consolation for Dummies. Do you want to talk about what happened right after the document was released? >> Uh, there's there was some drama, right? >> There was drama >> where Jeremy Corbel got a little worked up. >> Yeah. >> And called members of Congress liars. >> Yeah.

He stood up and yelled that Congress lied and that he was the one who submitted the document, not the person stated by Nancy Mace. >> There was a cover letter that was submitted that was written by Jeremy Corbel that was part of this dossier. So the dossier was 11 pages, right? Congress had said or the the pe the members of this committee that were part of this hearing said as much. There's 12 pages, but they only released 11. >> Yeah.

On the congress.gov there still is only 11. >> Only 11. >> Yeah. >> That 12th page is just an introduction by Jeremy Corbell >> stating the importance and the work that he did on it. >> Yes.

>> Yeah. It's not necessary. It doesn't give any information other than who provided this. Also, there could have been other people that had this document. It wasn't just him.

But Jeremy has been since very vocal about the representatives being strong armed by suits to not mention his name during the hearing. This is supposedly corroborated by the representative Tim Burchette. >> No, but what does what does suits mean? >> It's like a It's like clothes. >> You wear them. You wear them >> oral lawsuit, I guess.

But like when he's saying suits is like this amorphous villain, what I I just I don't know what that what does that what does that mean? Maybe maybe it's the men in black. >> Yeah. I don't know what he means by suits. Probably just people people in charge. >> That seems more like him being a little reductive where he's just trying to throw an insult at somebody like you suits, you guys don't know what you're you're talking about.

You're lying to us. So it's just >> Yeah. It's like at work if corporate shows up it's like oh here comes the suits. Yeah, just Timber supposedly corroborated this in the UFO community feel that Jeremy Corbel just wanted due blame. It probably took a lot of work to get all that and get this in.

I mean, I can't imagine I wouldn't be able to do what happened. >> No. And then this community, what I learned when I was in college was that a lot of professors have this doctrine. It's publish or perish. And I feel like it's the same with like documentarians like Jeremy Corbell where you have to continually make stuff.

I mean, this is his livelihood. You have to continually make stuff or you're not bringing in any I mean, lay it all on the table. If you're not making something like this, then you're not making any money. >> Yeah. He has to survive, too.

>> He has to survive. Great. >> Yeah. I mean, a journalist isn't going to spend years in another country researching something and then post it anonymously. Yeah.

>> You know, they >> I mean, that happens. Like you can do years and years of research on a topic only to have it be disproved with like two lines of dialogue and then all of your work is now meaningless. >> Yes, that happens. But this isn't meaningless and he needs the credit for sure. Overall pretty crazy.

I'm glad we did this in three parts cuz we were talking about doing this as one episode. Like congressional hearings episode. >> There's no way we could have done it in one episode. I mean already we're like how long have we been recording? >> Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I didn't want to do a 3 4 hour episode.

>> No one has that time. >> I mean, I have I do listen to podcasts that will I do >> periodically go over 3 hours. >> Mhm. >> But like that's that's that podcast building up to it. Like starting at about an hour and a half and then working up to two and then 3 hours.

And so I have a rapport with these podcasters and I understand where they're going. So yeah, >> but we're just, you know, dumb idiots talking about this very complicated thing and I don't think people are I don't know. >> Yeah, this is aliens for dummies >> because we're the dummies and we're trying to understand this and I hope that you guys are learning something. You know, if this is an easy way for you to get information, then that's awesome. We're doing this cuz we love knowledge.

We love this idea, this topic, and it's just fascinating. We could be wrong on multiple different things. I don't know. Um >> I probably am all that. >> I probably am, too.

You know, I've made lots of mistakes. And you know what? Some of my ideas have changed, too. Some of my beliefs and even topics that we've already talked about, I'm just like, "Oo, I actually think differently about that now." >> Mhm. >> With more information that I'm getting, and there's more information coming out all the time. >> Yeah.

>> So, I appreciate that you guys are listening. We definitely want feedback as long as you're gentle. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't care. I've got pretty thick skin.

So, you guys can say >> I do not >> whatever you want. I'm probably not going to change my opinions on a lot of things. >> I will. If you come at me hard, I will change my opinion. >> If you come at me hard enough, >> you you can be mean.

I don't know. I'll probably find it entertaining. >> If if you come at me with something that makes sense to me, then maybe my opinion will be changed. But, for the most part, my opinion is not going to change unless there is like definitive proof of something. >> Yeah.

Also, there'll be a link for fan mail. You can just message us straight from your computer, your tablet, or phone. I don't know why I said phone last. >> Yeah, phone is like my first entrance into >> Yeah, you don't even have a computer. >> I don't I don't believe they exist.

>> Well, I'm sure you'll get feedback on that. >> What are they hiding? >> So, now it is our favorite segment. >> Mhm. >> The baseline quiz. All right.

So, do you want to talk about what we're going to talk about next week? Okay, so our baseline quiz is giving me childhood excitement. We're going to be talking next week about UFO sky battles, which >> I when I saw that I got >> exist in sci-fi. >> Yeah, sky battles. >> Yeah, >> any sci-fi anything. But it sounds so cool.

Sky battles. >> Oh my god. >> And I don't know what it means. >> I don't know what it means. I'm excited to find out.

>> Yeah. So, this is what we're going to talk about next week. We don't know anything about it. >> The the mind reels. >> So, here we go.

We have uh some questions. I'm going to read these questions. >> Okay. And then we'll both answer it. >> Yep.

We'll both answer. They're all multiple choice. And here we go. So, UFO sky battles. In what year was the battle over Nuremberg? Was it 1942, 1561, 1782, or 1639? So, at the top of this file, there is a little there's like an artistic rendering of what I assume is a sky battle.

It does not look like it is of the current like >> it looks like Leonardo da Vinci. >> It does. So, I don't know if that is Jordan is trying to throw us off here or if this is like information that she's just like being cheeky about giving us. >> I wouldn't put it past her either way. I'm gonna say my guess just based on this >> I think it's 1639.

>> I was gonna say 1639 too, but I I'll say just for the purposes of this. >> Okay. >> 1639. And I said it first. >> Oh, I thought you were going to choose something else.

And I was just thinking I was like, oh, he's if he chooses something else and it's wrong, he's going to be mad. >> Yeah. All right. Next question. Which of the following does not describe the UFOs reported in the battle over Nuremberg? Is it spheres, >> discs, >> crosses, or cylinders? >> I'm going to say cylinders.

>> I'm going to say cylinders, too, because that wasn't in the report we just read for this immaculate constellation. I didn't see anything about cylinders. >> But if we're talking about this one specific, >> but there's crosses. I didn't see anything about crosses, either. No, but crosses is one of those things that it could be like uh >> an X >> a teardrop shape could be viewed as a cross.

>> What? >> Well, because it has like a point. If you're looking and you don't have the like the vocabulary, we're talking about an incident. I'm just basing this off my answer 1639. Okay. >> So, this report, the Battle of Nerburgg, if there were eyewitness events, their vocabulary is going to be limited.

And if they're looking up into the sky and they see something that's lit up like a teardrop shape or like an isosles triangle or any one of those these triangle events, they might interpret it as a cross being, you know, maybe of the Christian persuasion where they're just seeing crosses everywhere. >> You could be right. >> So that's why I'm saying like they could say it looked like flying crosses. That's why I'm saying it's cylinders cuz we're looking for something that is not. >> I'm going to say crosses is my answer.

Okay. You're saying cylinders. >> Yeah, I am I am who Wants to be a millionaire working my way through my answer specifically. >> No, that's great. All right, next question.

In what US city did military reportedly open fire on UFOs in 1942? Los Angeles, California, New York, New York. Hampton, Virginia, Las Vegas, Nevada. I actually know this answer. So, >> do you? >> I do. And it's batshit.

>> I'm going to say So, you want me to answer first? You answer first. >> Lock my answer in. >> What? >> Lock my answer in. >> Yeah, I want >> say it first and then lock it in. Put it on this file.

Put it on this. >> Yeah. >> Not change it. >> My answer is Las Vegas, Nevada. >> That is my answer as well.

>> Oh my god. >> I think I know the I mean I'm pretty sure I mean >> No, no, you were confident. You were super confident. >> Yeah. I just don't want to be confident and be wrong.

That sounds like way you trying were you trying to reverse our personalities here where I come in super confident and then I'm wrong every time. >> Yeah. Okay. Next question. What did witnesses see in the skies of Straw Sweden, now Germany, in 1665? A dark spear, a shiny a shiny cube, a large hat.

>> I want it to be a large hat. >> A fiery disc. >> To me, that's just really funny. But again, that could be a way that they describe something that they didn't have vocabulary for. >> That's true.

>> So, it could have just looked like a large hat. >> I think it's a large hat because they didn't have discs. Like, they wouldn't know that word yet, right? >> I wouldn't think so. I don't know. I mean, they had wheels.

Looks like a disc. >> Yeah. >> I think they would have said a large wheel in the sky though, >> right? >> Maybe. Let's go. Let's unanimously do large hat.

Let's just let's all all in on that, Josh. >> Okay. I >> Let's hold hands and let's hold hands and drive off this cliff the Louise style. >> I don't know what kind of hat. Maybe it was like the gimbal.

Maybe they thought the gimbal was a hat. >> Sure, >> possibly. >> Okay, next question. When was the celestial phenomenon over Basil, Switzerland? 1983? >> This is a wild >> 1794, 1885, or 1566? >> Jesus Christ. >> It's UFO sky battles.

So, we're going to talk about all the battles in the sky, >> I guess. All of them. Yeah. Not one specifically. I >> I thought it was going to be like one, but Okay.

>> That's how I walked into this quiz, too. >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're we're going through history. Celestial Phenomenon, Switzerland.

I'm going to say 1794. I don't know. >> My first instinct was 1885. Um, I'm going to stick with that. I'm not I don't really have a reason.

>> Yeah. This is just straight guess. >> Yep. >> All right. Last question.

What unusual events did not take place in Basil? Spheres fought each other. Sightings of men in strange black clothes. The sun changed shape and color. A total eclipse of the moon. >> So that tells me based on the phrasing of this question that three of these things did in fact happen.

>> Yes, that's where my >> only one of them did not. And they're all [ __ ] wild. >> I was trying to You got there a little quicker than me. I was frantically trying to figure out how three of these things could happen. >> And which one I Yeah, this is uh Okay.

Okay. Because we've talked about some of these like there have always been sightings of men in black, right? I mean, I'm I'm going to say that happened. A total eclipse of the moon. Possible. That is a thing that does exist in this world.

>> Yeah. >> Spheres fought each other. That is the premise of this whole quiz is that [ __ ] space battle. So, I'm going to say the >> sky battles. >> I'm going to say the sun changed shape and color.

That did not happen. >> Okay. I'm going to say because of the name >> of this event is celestial phenomenon, >> I'm going to say maybe spheres didn't fight each other. >> Holy [ __ ] >> And the other things was these three things. So, I'm going to say spheres fought each other did not take place.

>> Maybe Jordan being a little cheeky again. Could be >> leading us down a >> like I said, I wouldn't put a pastor on. >> Okay. >> All right. So, we're going to submit.

We're going to view our accuracy. >> Well, thumbs down fart sound on that first one. >> Yeah. In what year was the battle over Nuremberg? We both said 1639. It was 1561.

>> Yeah. I mean, okay. Okay. >> Next one. Which of the following does not describe the UFOs reported in the battle over Nuremberg? >> I said crosses.

You said cylinders. >> It was discs. >> Discs. >> Okay. Off to a good start.

>> Start with those discs. Let me see your discs. >> So, next one. In what US city did military reportedly open fire on UFOs in 1942? >> Funny how the tables are turned. I am accustomed to being wrong.

This is >> How does it feel to go into a question so confident and then have it blow up in your face? >> I It didn't blow up. I got it right. >> You said, didn't you say Las Vegas? >> No, I said Los Angeles. >> I said Las Vegas and you said >> I thought you said Los Angeles. It was wishful thinking.

It was Los Angeles. >> You changed your answer. >> No, it was Los Angeles. It was uh >> It was right by Catalina Island cuz there's That's a hot spot. I'm sorry.

I feel bad now. >> Damn it. >> Next question. This is awkward now. >> What did witnesses see? >> So betrayed.

Oh, but but now it's all good because now I get my funny answer. >> Yeah. What did witnesses see in the skies of Strawson, Sweden, now Germany, in 1665? It was a large fact. A large hat. >> It was not a disc, not a cube or a spear.

It was a hat. >> It was a hat. That's really funny. >> I love this for us. >> Yeah.

>> I hope there's drawings. >> Maybe saved our friendship. >> I hope so. >> It was on the rocks there for one question. >> Question.

Starting to question the energy. I started smelling weird things and it got really cold. >> Yeah. Yeah. You started to feel a sense of dread.

>> Yeah. Next question. When was the celestial phenomenon over Basil, Switzerland? Mhm. >> I said 1794. What did you say? >> 1885.

>> It was 1566. >> Oh my god. >> Which the battle over Nuremberg was 1561. So >> yeah. So there 5year difference.

>> Big century for battles. >> For sky battles. Yeah, it is. So yeah, 1566. Okay, last one.

What unusual events did not take place in battle? >> A shock to me. >> So I said spheres fought each other. >> Mhm. You said >> the sun changed shape and color. >> We were both wrong.

>> Yes, >> it was sightings of men in strange black clothes, >> which is wild. I thought that we'd read or had been led to believe that there were always as long as there have been sightings of UFOs or UAPs, there have been men in black. My whole world is turned upside down. >> Yeah, we did a Men in Black episode. I don't know.

I know it goes back hundreds of years. I don't know if it goes back that far. I mean, 1566, that's crazy. But that does mean that spheres fought each other. The sun changed shape and color and a total eclipse of the moon.

>> Okay. I would say that counts as a celestial phenomenon. >> Mhm. >> Well, I got two right. You got >> one.

>> I'm so sorry. >> It's okay. I had already locked in Las Vegas. >> Okay. >> So, it was fine.

You didn't lead me to Las Vegas. I got myself there. >> Yeah. You said loss and I thought you you said Los >> and then you were just done. >> Los Angeles.

>> Yeah. Okay. Well, lets you know that we know nothing about this, which is really exciting because we get to learn something new. >> Yeah. Plus, it's Sky Battle, so that just sounds rad.

>> Yeah. I might be in full cosplay for this episode when we record this. >> Yeah. We'll make sure that uh those pictures end up on our Instagram. >> Yeah.

Well, thank you for listening. We appreciate you and >> we're excited to go on this journey with you with Sky Battles next next episode. >> Yeah. What a time to be alive. >> Yeah.

>> In 1566. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, have a great rest of your life until this next one. >> Uh, we should do our thank yous.

Who do we thank? Our researcher, Jordan. >> Yeah. Our our researcher. >> Our composer, Jordan. >> Our graphic designer.

>> Our lord and savior, Jordan. >> Yeah. Thank you, Jordan. >> The alpha and the omega, Jordan. >> Yep.

>> As far as this podcast is concerned, >> our quiz master Jordan. Quizmaster Jordan. Who else? What else did Jordan do? >> She is the mother of my children. >> The mother of your children, Jordan. >> Thank you.

Thank you, Jordan. And she's just really cool and funny and smart and pretty. And hopefully this gives me enough kudos to have a nice evening with her sometime. >> Whoa. >> Yeah.

Not >> what a saucy podcast, boy. >> Whoa. Okay. Well, there you go. Think of that.

>> Yep. We'll end there. All right. I'll talk to you guys later. >> Okay, bye >> bye.

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